The SDA Cult

[church mouse guy]

I've met very nice people of virtually every religion there is, but that doesn't help their standing with GOD.

Let me tell you a story that you may know already. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote in The Gulag Archipelago that he became a Baptist because when he was in the Stalinist communist concentration camp at the end of World War II the only other man who gave him peace and quiet was a Russian Baptist.

 

[church mouse guy]

WRONG!

Abortion


'The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation.'

SDA says that they do not condone abortion on their North American website.

Let's listen to an SDA (100%) explain the reasons why he believes the SDA is ABSOLUTELY Pro--Choice and why it must repent.

Prolife Andrew[/QUOTE]

Your link entitled "Abortion": Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church.

 

[Walter]

Let's listen to an SDA (100%) explain the reasons why he believes the SDA is ABSOLUTELY Pro--Choice and why it must repent.

Prolife Andrew

Your link entitled "Abortion": Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church.[/QUOTE

Did you even bother to watch the video? No, Because you responded immediately after I posted the link. By the way, what I posted is off the official SDA website in North America

 

[church mouse guy]

Your link entitled "Abortion": Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church.[/QUOTE

Did you even bother to watch the video? No, Because you responded immediately after I posted the link. By the way, what I posted is off the official SDA website in North America

I watched the video after I posted from the North American website, that you yourself linked, that the SDA does not condone abortion for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience. The guy in the Philippines did not provide any documentation to his point. It may be that the SDA allows abortion for rape, incest, or the life of the mother--that is unclear and it is unclear what the guy in the Philippines is talking about in the North American division since he does not document it.

 

[Walter]

I watched the video after I posted from the North American website, that you yourself linked, that the SDA does not condone abortion for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience. The guy in the Philippines did not provide any documentation to his point. It may be that the SDA allows abortion for rape, incest, or the life of the mother--that is unclear and it is unclear what the guy in the Philippines is talking about in the North American division since he does not document it.

I watched the video after I posted from the North American website, that you yourself linked, that the SDA does not condone abortion for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience. The guy in the Philippines did not provide any documentation to his point. It may be that the SDA allows abortion for rape, incest, or the life of the mother--that is unclear and it is unclear what the guy in the Philippines is talking about in the North American division since he does not document it.

It is RIGHT there on the OFFICIAL SDA WEBSITE: We have long had SDA members on this board. Maybe a member of the SDA denomination could please provide the Scriptural support for the official SDA guidelines which state 'that abortion is a matter of personal choice when it comes to the emotional or physical health of the mother or in cases of rape or incest or any of the other exceptions that they list?

Since the SDA claim to be sola scriptura I would hope for an answer which includes Book, Chapter and Verse.

 

[church mouse guy]

It is RIGHT there on the OFFICIAL SDA WEBSITE: We have long had SDA members on this board. Maybe a member of the SDA denomination could please provide the Scriptural support for the official SDA guidelines which state 'that abortion is a matter of personal choice when it comes to the emotional or physical health of the mother or in cases of rape or incest or any of the other exceptions that they list?

Since the SDA claim to be sola scriptura I would hope for an answer which includes Book, Chapter and Verse.

Alright, let's quote the entire passage:

The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships.

Now, I do not agree with their statement about severe congenital defects but rape, incest, and the life of the mother are divisions within the pro-life community.

This doctrinal position of the SDA does not qualify as cultic by itself but is error. The SDA advises accurate information, biblical principles and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

So do all Catholics who are true Catholics believe that there is no Salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church?

 

[Yeshua1]

Alright, let's quote the entire passage:

The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships.

Now, I do not agree with their statement about severe congenital defects but rape, incest, and the life of the mother are divisions within the pro-life community.

This doctrinal position of the SDA does not qualify as cultic by itself but is error. The SDA advises accurate information, biblical principles and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

So do all Catholics who are true Catholics believe that there is no Salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church?

The Sda teaches a mixture of saved by Faith and by obedience to the "prophetic" teachers of their prophetess Ellen White! They indeed teach another and false gospel!

 

[church mouse guy]

The Sda teaches a mixture of saved by Faith and by obedience to the "prophetic" teachers of their prophetess Ellen White! They indeed teach another and false gospel!

That's not what the NAMB says according to a link above.

 

[Yeshua1]

That's not what the NAMB says according to a link above.

That is the official teaching of the Sda though....

 

[church mouse guy]

That is the official teaching of the Sda though....

The official teaching is the only means of evaluation.

 

[robycop3]

The official teaching is the only means of evaluation.

Now, how many cults actually tell prospective members ALL their beliefs right off the bat? Do the Moonies? Do the Mor(m)ons? Do the JWs?

They(all those cults, plus others) wanna condition your mind to accept their garbage little by little til you're hooked. They use the Hitler method of repeating the same lie over& over til their listeners start believing it. so, OF COURSE the SDAs' OFFICIAL loox squeaky-clean & orthodox! But soon, they start introducing newbies to EGW's teachings, without mentioning her name. Slowly, insidiously, they bring up more & more of her stuff before finally telling one those are HER teachings.

My evaluation comes from several former SDAs who've told me the same story. That's why I remind people they **have a FORM of godliness, while denying its POWER.** Full-blown SDAs equate EGW's stuff with Scripture, clearly against GOD'S command to not pollute His word.

 

[church mouse guy]

Now, how many cults actually tell prospective members ALL their beliefs right off the bat? Do the Moonies? Do the Mor(m)ons? Do the JWs?

They(all those cults, plus others) wanna condition your mind to accept their garbage little by little til you're hooked. They use the Hitler method of repeating the same lie over& over til their listeners start believing it. so, OF COURSE the SDAs' OFFICIAL loox squeaky-clean & orthodox! But soon, they start introducing newbies to EGW's teachings, without mentioning her name. Slowly, insidiously, they bring up more & more of her stuff before finally telling one those are HER teachings.

My evaluation comes from several former SDAs who've told me the same story. That's why I remind people they **have a FORM of godliness, while denying its POWER.** Full-blown SDAs equate EGW's stuff with Scripture, clearly against GOD'S command to not pollute His word.

Your examples of Moonies, Mormons, and JWs have had their theology known for decades. Alexander Campbell answered the Mormons almost from the start. JWs also were well-known quickly and they had published their beliefs so long ago that the copyrights have expired. In the case of the Moonies, they, too, are now decades old. And actually SDA theology has been public for many decades.

 

[church mouse guy]

Now, how many cults actually tell prospective members ALL their beliefs right off the bat? Do the Moonies? Do the Mor(m)ons? Do the JWs?

They(all those cults, plus others) wanna condition your mind to accept their garbage little by little til you're hooked. They use the Hitler method of repeating the same lie over& over til their listeners start believing it. so, OF COURSE the SDAs' OFFICIAL loox squeaky-clean & orthodox! But soon, they start introducing newbies to EGW's teachings, without mentioning her name. Slowly, insidiously, they bring up more & more of her stuff before finally telling one those are HER teachings.

My evaluation comes from several former SDAs who've told me the same story. That's why I remind people they **have a FORM of godliness, while denying its POWER.** Full-blown SDAs equate EGW's stuff with Scripture, clearly against GOD'S command to not pollute His word.

The underlying problem that you have outlined in your answer is that the Church stopped defending the faith vigorously in the nineteenth century because they did not want to be divisive. Now we are faced with the problem that people no longer know what they believe and why they believe it. Almost everyone used to have some sort of church affiliation and the people in the cults have often been in the Christian denominations. The cults prey on those who don't know what they believe. One of the big cults in Indianapolis is the "Jesus Only" cult, actually the United Pentecostal Church. Also, there are a lot of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. Christian Science still has a reading room downtown Indianapolis. Nation of Islam has a presence near the Indiana State Fairgrounds. I myself cannot stand to read much cult theology because it makes me physically ill.

 

[Yeshua1]

Now, how many cults actually tell prospective members ALL their beliefs right off the bat? Do the Moonies? Do the Mor(m)ons? Do the JWs?

They(all those cults, plus others) wanna condition your mind to accept their garbage little by little til you're hooked. They use the Hitler method of repeating the same lie over& over til their listeners start believing it. so, OF COURSE the SDAs' OFFICIAL loox squeaky-clean & orthodox! But soon, they start introducing newbies to EGW's teachings, without mentioning her name. Slowly, insidiously, they bring up more & more of her stuff before finally telling one those are HER teachings.

My evaluation comes from several former SDAs who've told me the same story. That's why I remind people they **have a FORM of godliness, while denying its POWER.** Full-blown SDAs equate EGW's stuff with Scripture, clearly against GOD'S command to not pollute His word.

Yes, as they see her having the same authority and inspiration as the Apostles of Christ, as God sent her to restore back His true church!

 

[Yeshua1]

Your examples of Moonies, Mormons, and JWs have had their theology known for decades. Alexander Campbell answered the Mormons almost from the start. JWs also were well-known quickly and they had published their beliefs so long ago that the copyrights have expired. In the case of the Moonies, they, too, are now decades old. And actually SDA theology has been public for many decades.

Then you would have to see that they see Ellen White as a modern Day prophetess, whose writings inspired by God, that they are the true restored church, that one must keep the Jewish Sabbath, denying eternal hell, and denying that one can keep saved and secured! Sda just tries to mix grace and works, and we all know what Paul thought of that!

 

[tyndale1946]

Then you would have to see that they see Ellen White as a modern Day prophetess, whose writings inspired by God, that they are the true restored church, that one must keep the Jewish Sabbath, denying eternal hell, and denying that one can keep saved and secured! Sda just tries to mix grace and works, and we all know what Paul thought of that!

That is not true with just the SDA, there are a lot of brethren on here who mix grace and works... I was taught a valuable lesson early in my church life and that is not to talk down to other religions... They may not believe the way I do but they are still serving the Lord, according to the dictates of their hearts and they are still Gods people... May be if we looked at each other that way we wouldn't be so judgmental of others... Ever see the Devil do good for anyone?... Brother Glen

Luke 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.

9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

 

[Pastor_Bob]

How would you describe a cult?

I John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (KJV)

In my opinion, a religious cult is an organization that denies or weakens the deity of Christ.

 

[Yeshua1]

I John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (KJV)

In my opinion, a religious cult is an organization that denies or weakens the deity of Christ.

And also adds extra revelation , usually from their founder, mixed Grace and Law, and denies the real Gospel

 

[robycop3]

That is not true with just the SDA, there are a lot of brethren on here who mix grace and works... I was taught a valuable lesson early in my church life and that is not to talk down to other religions... They may not believe the way I do but they are still serving the Lord, according to the dictates of their hearts and they are still Gods people... May be if we looked at each other that way we wouldn't be so judgmental of others... Ever see the Devil do good for anyone?... Brother Glen

Luke 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.

9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

But God warned several times about following the ways of men, and against adding or subtracting from His laws & precepts. The SDA does all of those. Again, it goes back to "having a form of godliness...:.

 

[Yeshua1]

But God warned several times about following the ways of men, and against adding or subtracting from His laws & precepts. The SDA does all of those. Again, it goes back to "having a form of godliness...:.

The Sda sees Ellen White as being just as inspired to them as Paul and Peter and John!