The Seven Days of Creation

[Van]

Did the formless and void earth rotate on an axis once per "day" before the sun was created or "there?"

I think we could find various views of formless and void. Non-existent seems likely.

The Hebrew word translated as "formless" is also translated as wasteland, indicating nothing of use was there. The other Hebrew word translated "void" is also translated "emptiness." So non-existent is a possible meaning.

 

[loDebar]

There is zero evidence to suggest day is anything but 24 hours in the creation account. Period.

That is not true

 

[loDebar]

I think we could find various views of formless and void. Non-existent seems likely.

The Hebrew word translated as "formless" is also translated as wasteland, indicating nothing of use was there. The other Hebrew word translated "void" is also translated "emptiness." So non-existent is a possible meaning.

no existence is also a waste land unusable for God's future purpose

 

[loDebar]

Creation was in six "yowm" which can be a 24 hr day or is actually a indeterminate period of time, or age
Could not God do this in one day or one instant? Why take six?

 

[tyndale1946]

That is not true

You know when brethren question God's word and think they have come to some new understanding of scripture, especially creation may be they need a good dose of the book of Job from chapters 38 thru 42, to clear the cobwebs out... Brother Glen

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

 

[loDebar]

You know when brethren question God's word and think they have come to some new understanding of scripture, especially creation may be they need a good dose of the book of Job from chapters 38 thru 42, to clear the cobwebs out... Brother Glen

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

no, He was asking a man to realize who He was. . This is not to hide scripture but for Kob to see the condition a lost sinner at Creation Job declared he was innocent and did not deserve misery. God showed he was a sinner and did not deserve anything else.

Where was Job during creation?

 

[loDebar]

Well, not exactly zero.

The scientific evidence for an old earth is overwhelming.
Concordists look for a way to interpret Scripture in light of this.
Galileo observed the rotation of the planets and the physical evidence was instrumental in pointing out a better way to understand Scripture.

I’m an old earth creationist.

John Walton’s book, The Lost World of Genesis One changed the way I interpret the opening chapters of Genesis. Walton interprets the seven days of creation as seven days but with subtitle differences of focus on what really happened during each day.
His understanding separates the Scriptures from science.

I’ve read countless books on the topic of Genesis and science. It wasn’t until I read Walton’s book that I felt truly at rest with the topic. I’d encourage you to read it!

Rob

Since the word Day is actually Hebrew yom or yowm has been used for different amounts of time from partial day or daylight to age, We can accept that God could have had six different periods where things happened, described in Gen. 1 and other verses.

We know this does not include Heaven , God's abode but only the universe. from Job 38:7
We also know some beings were here at Light Gen 1:3 because of the expressions from Job 38:7
We know that Satan and the others were cast out of Heaven and into Darkness. Since there was no darkness in Heaven, They had to be sent here when darkness was created ,before Light..

I think these ages were very long as to influence the fallen, who had never been in darkness before.

 

[37818]

Well, not exactly zero.

The scientific evidence for an old earth is overwhelming.
Concordists look for a way to interpret Scripture in light of this.
Galileo observed the rotation of the planets and the physical evidence was instrumental in pointing out a better way to understand Scripture.

I’m an old earth creationist.

John Walton’s book, The Lost World of Genesis One changed the way I interpret the opening chapters of Genesis. Walton interprets the seven days of creation as seven days but with subtitle differences of focus on what really happened during each day.
His understanding separates the Scriptures from science.

I’ve read countless books on the topic of Genesis and science. It wasn’t until I read Walton’s book that I felt truly at rest with the topic. I’d encourage you to read it!

Rob

I see the 7 days beginning with Genesis 1:3. Genesis 1:1 the original ex nihilo act by God (John 1:3).

Genesis 1:2 the state of the earth before day 1.

That the first day God caused the Sun to become the star that it is.

That day four the debris was blown away to allow the Sun and Moon along with the stars in the night sky to be distinct lights as stated.

Whether God created in Genesis 1:1 -- 6,000 years ago or 13.7 billion years ago or longer need not negate the 6 days of acts of God and God resting on the 7th being Earth days.

Now the geological ages and the dating of the flood is a separate issue. Noah being tenth of Adam. Now as for as the rest of the geneologies prior to Abraham, there is where tnere may be a big issue. The added name in the Greek NT in Luke's account, suggests that the Genealogy may not be contiguous as given. Also that some of the Hebrew names are plural. The evidence needs study.

 

[Reformed1689]

That is not true

Then by all means, show how there IS evidence to suggest otherwise.

 

[loDebar]

I see the 7 days beginning with Genesis 1:3. Genesis 1:1 the original ex nihilo act by God (John 1:3).

Genesis 1:2 the state of the earth before day 1.

That the first day God caused the Sun to become the star that it is.

That day four the debris was blown away to allow the Sun and Moon along with the stars in the night sky to be distinct lights as stated.

Whether God created in Genesis 1:1 -- 6,000 years ago or 13.7 billion years ago or longer need not negate the 6 days of acts of God and God resting on the 7th being Earth days.

Now the geological ages and the dating of the flood is a separate issue. Noah being tenth of Adam. Now as for as the rest of the geneologies prior to Abraham, there is where tnere may be a big issue. The added name in the Greek NT in Luke's account, suggests that the Genealogy may not be contiguous as given. Also that some of the Hebrew names are plural. The evidence needs study.

What added name?

 

[loDebar]

Then by all means, show how there IS evidence to suggest otherwise.

i did, the use of the word yowm, The KJV translates Strong's H3117 yowm in the following manner: day (2,008x), time (64x), chronicles (with H1697) (37x), daily (44x), ever (18x), year (14x), continually (10x), when (10x), as (10x), while (8x), full (8x), always (4x), whole (4x), alway (4x), miscellaneous (44x).

Isa 61:2
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

you do not know what God meant, except yown. It is wrong to get doctrine from a translated language word meaning

 

[Reformed1689]

i did, the use of the word yowm, The KJV translates Strong's H3117 yowm in the following manner: day (2,008x), time (64x), chronicles (with H1697) (37x), daily (44x), ever (18x), year (14x), continually (10x), when (10x), as (10x), while (8x), full (8x), always (4x), whole (4x), alway (4x), miscellaneous (44x).

Isa 61:2
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

you do not know what God meant, except yown. It is wrong to get doctrine from a translated language word meaning

Except we have the further clarifications of what yom means with evening and morning first day. Clearly showing the natural progression of a 24 hour day. And Moses also explains that this was a literal week when talking about the Sabbath. So to suggest that the evidence is that yom can mean multiple things is only credible if you take things out of context.

 

[37818]

I do not believe that, so I could not be comfortable with saying that. Yes, I believe Adam was created about 6000 years ago. (I also think if we accept Adam's age as historically correct, it creates problems for the day-age theory, as opposed to 24 hour days.)

On the premise that Adam was made 6,000 years ago. Genesis 1:1 can still be 13.7 billion years ago.

 

[37818]

What added name?

Luke 3:36, ". . . Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, . . ." Genesis 10:24, ". . . Arphaxad begat Salah; . . ." The Hebrew omits Cainan.

 

[Revmitchell]

On the premise that Adam was made 6,000 years ago. Genesis 1:1 can still be 13.7 billion years ago.

To you it can. however not in scripture. Genesis 1:1 thru 1:5 are the first day. You have to engage in all kinds of mental gymnastics to make it anything else.

"Right on thie first day, God brings the universe into existence out of nothing (1:1). On this first day, God makes light (1:3), and already declares it to be good (1:4). The current day-night cycle of about 24 hours is initiated from this day (1:5). The language of Genesis emphatically teaches creation in six consecutive normal-length days."

Johnathan D. Sarfati PH.D., FM, "The Genesis Account, A theological, historical, and scientific commentary on Genesis 1-11", pg.87

 

[37818]

. . . in scripture. Genesis 1:1 thru 1:5 are the first day.

I disagee. I have alway understood Genesis 1:3 to be the start of the first day. On the premise verse 1 is the start of the first day, are you going to deny that God at the beginning could create time and real billions years of the universe? The sons of God as they were existed prior in some kind of Heaven, prior to Gensis 1:1 then as well, Job 38:4-7.

 

[loDebar]

Except we have the further clarifications of what yom means with evening and morning first day. Clearly showing the natural progression of a 24 hour day. And Moses also explains that this was a literal week when talking about the Sabbath. So to suggest that the evidence is that yom can mean multiple things is only credible if you take things out of context.

wrong , you applied out of context , placing your humanistic based beliefs in scripture. . Take scripture only for what it says.
Gen 1:5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

This morning and evening cannot be compared to our morning and evening because there was no Sun yet

There were six periods of creation The Moses example is correct even though you are wrong .

 

[loDebar]

Luke 3:36, ". . . Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, . . ." Genesis 10:24, ". . . Arphaxad begat Salah; . . ." The Hebrew omits Cainan.

Thank you , He is in Gen 5 9. 10. 12 though.

 

[Revmitchell]

I disagee. I have alway understood Genesis 1:3 to be the start of the first day. On the premise verse 1 is the start of the first day, are you going to deny that God at the beginning could create time and real billions years of the universe? The sons of God as they were existed prior in some kind of Heaven, prior to Gensis 1:1 then as well, Job 38:4-7.

No they didn't. Of course you disagree it allows for your gap theory

Oh wait that was a one liner, heres another one

 

[Baptist Believer]

Genesis 1:1-2:3 records seven days of God's creative acts...

The thread is open to any and all discussion of the seven days, but I am particularly interested in the answer of those who do not believe the evening and morning days of Genesis 1:1-2:3 were 24 hour days. What biblical reasons do you give for these being 1000 years, indefinite periods, or anything else other than 24 hours? Not speed of light wonderings and such like from science, but biblical texts that support your conclusion.

There are a number of reasons, but the one that is most compelling to me is that we are still in the seventh day of creation. God "rested" in His creation (note, God was not tired, He has placed His presence in His creation, and He remains here.)

Hebrews 4:4-9
For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this passage, “They shall not enter My rest.” Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,

“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.” (note, the writer of Hebrews is referencing Psalm 95:7-11)
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For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.​