The shocking link between psychiatric drugs, suicide, violence and mass murder

[Rufus_1611]

The shocking link between psychiatric drugs, suicide, violence and mass murder

From Columbine to Virginia Tech, every time another headline-making mass murderer is discovered to have taken antidepressants or other psychiatric drugs, rumors and speculation abound regarding the possible connection between the medications and the violence.
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The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable, says Whistleblower's groundbreaking investigative report: Mood-altering psychiatric drugs – taken every day by tens of millions of Americans, including millions of children – actually can push some users over the edge into mania, suicide and horrific violence.
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Maniacs cited:

Andrea Yates - Killed 5 - Effexor
Eric Harris - Killed 12, Wounded 24 - Luvox
Cho Seung Hui - Killed 32 - "Prescription Drugs"
Patrick Purdy - Killed 5, Wounded 30 - Thorazine
Kip Kinkel - Killed 4, Wounded 22 - Prozac & Ritalin
Laurie Dann - Killed 1, Wounded 6 - Anafranil & Lithium
Michael Carneal - Killed 3, Wounded 1 - Ritalin
Jeff Weise - Killed 9, Wounded 5 - Prozac
Joseph Wesbecker - Killed 9, Wounded 11 - Prozac​

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All very interesting, you may be thinking, but what do the drug companies say in their defense?

One of the most widely prescribed antidepressants today is Paxil, manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline.

Paxil's known "adverse drug reactions" – according to the drug's own 2001 FDA-approved label – include "mania," "insomnia," "anxiety," "agitation," "confusion," "amnesia," "depression," "paranoid reaction," "psychosis," "hostility," "delirium," "hallucinations," "abnormal thinking," "depersonalization" and "lack of emotion," among others.
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[billwald]

Big deal. Drunk drivers probably kill and injure more people every day.

 

[James_Newman]

Big deal. Drunk drivers probably kill and injure more people every day.

And the most amazing part is that Christians on this board will justify drinking alcohol and taking antidepressants.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Big deal. Drunk drivers probably kill and injure more people every day.

According to MADD in 2006, 17,941 people were killed in alcohol related crashes. According to the OP article almost 20,000 people could be experiencing "homicidal ideation" as a result of Effexor alone. Now certainly, this is not directly comparable but it would seem like a pretty big deal for that many folks to be taking a drug that gives them homicidal tendencies.

 

[James_Newman]

CDC: Antidepressants most prescribed drugs in U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/09/antidepressants/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

In its study, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention looked at 2.4 billion drugs prescribed in visits to doctors and hospitals in 2005. Of those, 118 million were for antidepressants.


High blood pressure drugs were the next most-common with 113 million prescriptions.


The use of antidepressants and other psychotropic drugs -- those that affect brain chemistry -- has skyrocketed over the last decade.


Adult use of antidepressants almost tripled between the periods 1988-1994 and 1999-2000.


Between 1995 and 2002, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the use of these drugs rose 48 percent, the CDC reported.

 

[carpro]

Quote:
The shocking link between psychiatric drugs, suicide, violence and mass murder

From Columbine to Virginia Tech, every time another headline-making mass murderer is discovered to have taken antidepressants or other psychiatric drugs, rumors and speculation abound regarding the possible connection between the medications and the violence.
...
The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable, says Whistleblower's groundbreaking investigative report: Mood-altering psychiatric drugs – taken every day by tens of millions of Americans, including millions of children – actually can push some users over the edge into mania, suicide and horrific violence.
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For some reason, I'm not surprised. I believe our society is drastically overmedicated

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

For some reason, I'm not surprised. I believe our society is drastically overmedicated

Wow: I actually agree with carpro on something.....

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Maniacs cited:

Andrea Yates - Killed 5 - Milk
Eric Harris - Killed 12, Wounded 24 - Milk
Cho Seung Hui - Killed 32 - Milk
Patrick Purdy - Killed 5, Wounded 30 - Milk
Kip Kinkel - Killed 4, Wounded 22 - Milk
Laurie Dann - Killed 1, Wounded 6 - Milk Drinker
Michael Carneal - Killed 3, Wounded 1 - Drank milk
Jeff Weise - Killed 9, Wounded 5 - Milk drinker too
Joseph Wesbecker - Killed 9, Wounded 11 - Chocolate Milk

Psychotropic drugs do help many people, but I agree they can be dangerous as well. However, your list proves nothing, as I have demonstrated with mine. I too agree that they are overused in our society.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Maniacs cited:

Andrea Yates - Killed 5 - Milk
Eric Harris - Killed 12, Wounded 24 - Milk
Cho Seung Hui - Killed 32 - Milk
Patrick Purdy - Killed 5, Wounded 30 - Milk
Kip Kinkel - Killed 4, Wounded 22 - Milk
Laurie Dann - Killed 1, Wounded 6 - Milk Drinker
Michael Carneal - Killed 3, Wounded 1 - Drank milk
Jeff Weise - Killed 9, Wounded 5 - Milk drinker too
Joseph Wesbecker - Killed 9, Wounded 11 - Chocolate Milk

First, nearly 100% of Asians are lactose intolerant so if Cho Seung Hui was a milk drinker, he would've bucked the odds on that one. (Source: http://www.aafp.org/afp/20020501/1845.html)

Psychotropic drugs do help many people, but I agree they can be dangerous as well. However, your list proves nothing, as I have demonstrated with mine. I too agree that they are overused in our society.

I know there are a number of side-effects with milk due to the injection of cows with rBGH etc. but I've never heard those side effects to include "homicidal ideation". This is the critical difference in our lists. The side effects of mind altering, psychotropic drugs are admitted by the drug manufacturers and warned by the FDA and these drugs alter the minds of the people taking them. A similar case can not be made for milk.

 

[Phillip]

Maniacs cited:

Andrea Yates - Killed 5 - Effexor
Eric Harris - Killed 12, Wounded 24 - Luvox
Cho Seung Hui - Killed 32 - "Prescription Drugs"
Patrick Purdy - Killed 5, Wounded 30 - Thorazine
Kip Kinkel - Killed 4, Wounded 22 - Prozac & Ritalin
Laurie Dann - Killed 1, Wounded 6 - Anafranil & Lithium
Michael Carneal - Killed 3, Wounded 1 - Ritalin
Jeff Weise - Killed 9, Wounded 5 - Prozac
Joseph Wesbecker - Killed 9, Wounded 11 - Prozac
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There is probably another very scary part. I bet every one of these people drank at least 16 ounces of water during the day or two before they did their committed their crimes. . . there just HAS to be a link here, too. I think we should apply for a ten million dollar grant to study the effects of water on murderers brain, after all, we know that dehydration can cause the brain to swell. . .

 

[Rufus_1611]

There is probably another very scary part. I bet every one of these people drank at least 16 ounces of water during the day or two before they did their committed their crimes. . . there just HAS to be a link here, too. I think we should apply for a ten million dollar grant to study the effects of water on murderers brain, after all, we know that dehydration can cause the brain to swell. . .

There is no known or alleged link, that I am aware of, between water and homicidal ideation. Do you have evidence to suggest such?

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

The comparison of water and milk, while it may be humorous to some, is a failed comparison as niether of these substances alter the mind as many of the drugs listed do. Having workewd in a mental health facility I have seen the effects of the drugs on people. And have had to restrain quite a few.

 

[menageriekeeper]

That's funny. One would expect that folk that folk who are mentally ill be taking some form of medication.

Giving lists such as the one above, doesn't tell us whether these folks were mentally ill before they committed their crimes or if the crime is the result of the medication. It doesn't tell us whether they were currently taking the meds at the time of their crimes or had simply taken them in the past (an indicater that someone knew something was off), it doesn't say if they suddenly stopped taking the meds (clearly something that shouldn't be done), nor does it give us a measure of what was going on in their minds leading up to the meds being described or how many times and beginning when they had contemplated similar crimes and hadn't followed through. It can't possibly tell us that these folks lost their impulse control due to the meds. A list can never tell us if the impulse control center of their minds was already deteriorating and the meds were given in an attempt to stop and reverse what was already going on.

Again, you would expect a mentally ill person to be on some sort of medication so why would we be surprised that mentally ill folk who commit crimes are on the same sorts of medication?

Here is a better place to look for a cause of criminal behavior:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050223145108.htm

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060625/EDIT03/606250344/1023/EDIT

btw, the story in the last link was on MSNBC just a couple of days ago. Now it's gone. Makes you wonder.......

This appears to be the original article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/07/AR2007070701073.html

 

[Rufus_1611]

That's funny. One would expect that folk that folk who are mentally ill be taking some form of medication.

Giving lists such as the one above, doesn't tell us whether these folks were mentally ill before they committed their crimes or if the crime is the result of the medication. It doesn't tell us whether they were currently taking the meds at the time of their crimes or had simply taken them in the past (an indicater that someone knew something was off), it doesn't say if they suddenly stopped taking the meds (clearly something that shouldn't be done), nor does it give us a measure of what was going on in their minds leading up to the meds being described or how many times and beginning when they had contemplated similar crimes and hadn't followed through. It can't possibly tell us that these folks lost their impulse control due to the meds. A list can never tell us if the impulse control center of their minds was already deteriorating and the meds were given in an attempt to stop and reverse what was already going on.

Again, you would expect a mentally ill person to be on some sort of medication so why would we be surprised that mentally ill folk who commit crimes are on the same sorts of medication?

Here is a better place to look for a cause of criminal behavior:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050223145108.htm

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060625/EDIT03/606250344/1023/EDIT

btw, the story in the last link was on MSNBC just a couple of days ago. Now it's gone. Makes you wonder.......

This appears to be the original article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/07/AR2007070701073.html

Let's presume they were all mentally ill prior to them taking the meds. Is it wise to give a mentally ill person a drug or drugs that has side effects which include, homicidal ideation? Restated, do we really desire to make someone who might be homicidal, more homicidal?

 

[poncho]

Maybe they should change the warning on the label to something like..."Do not drive a car, operate machines or handle weapons while taking this medication"

Or...we could just all ban firearms. That should solve the criminal use problem and protect the tidy profits of the drug companies. At the same time!

 

[Ed Edwards]

Brother Phillip: isn't it interesting what amazing conclusions
can be jumped to by people who know nothing
of statistics?

There are 15,000,000 of 320,000,000 americans
taking psychotropic drugs.

The 320,000,000 Americans commit
(in 2003) 5.7 *homicides per 100,000
or 18,240 homicides

*according to TIME ALMANAC 2006, p388

(down from 10.2 per 100,000 in 1980, before
most of the psychotropic drugs. Humm, since
the mass introduction of psychotropic drugs,
homicide rates have been cut in half.
Who is griping about that? Anyway, that
isn't what I wanted to say, but it came out fairly
good )

You need to prove 912 homicides to be
equal to general American Population.
If there are less than 912 homocides by
psychotropic drug users -- then psychotropic drugs
REDUCE homicides.
If there are more than 912 homicides by
psychotropic drug users -- then psychotropic drugs
increases homicides.
There ye go folks who can't pass a stats class - prove
more than 912 homicides by psychotropic drug users
PER YEAR (any year 1995 and later will do for a start, but
to stay correct, it has to be every year) --
your contention that psychotropic drugs cause
increased homicides will be proven.

Until then we can all be sure:
psychotropic drugs reduce homicides.


And for good sport: JESUS STILL SAVES! :applause:

-Ed the Radically Saved!!

 

[poncho]

Ed's got a point there. But I still think banning firearms would solve the homicide problem.

 

[Ed Edwards]

If firearms are banned - then criminals will steal swords.

 

[Ed Edwards]

On this page of side effects (anadotal entries)
for Paxil, a common side seems to be diarreah
and loss of appetite.
This might be a plus for we depressed fat guys?

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=20031&name=PAXIL

 

[Ed Edwards]

Let's presume they were all mentally ill prior to them taking the meds. Is it wise to give a mentally ill person a drug or drugs that has side effects which include, homicidal ideation? Restated, do we really desire to make someone who might be homicidal, more homicidal?

Do you understand that the sides are reports of what
some 15 MILLION people have experienced?
Any one experience any 1 person had
is listed for LEGAL REASONS (i.e. if the company lists the
sides, it protects them more /not absolutely/ from
legal suits). Reading the sides IS NOT mathematically
valid statistics. Reading the sides is good training for a Lawyer
but not for a mathematician