The Shroud of Turin

[Alive in Christ]

The History Channel is playing a documentary on the Shroud as I am posting.

Of course we all know that the classic evidence of a crucified man has been documented, as has the age of the shroud. The really interesting things are the things that they say they cant really explain...yet its on the shroud.

We who are born again of course need no *evidence*, as we have the witness of the Holy Spirit alive in us, testifying as to our new birth...the life of Christ in us.

But how do you view the Shroud of Turin? Do you think the Shroud of Turin is what Christ was wrapped in?

Do you think the shroud is an "end time" witness to the unbelieving world as to the truth of Christ?

Any other comments are welcome as well.

What say you concerning the Shroud?

 

[annsni]

Honestly, if God did not allow the original writings of His Word to survive, why would the burial cloths of Jesus still be here?

 

[Amy.G]

I think the shroud of Turin is not the wrappings of Christ. Here is why:

John 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.


According to John's gospel, the head wrap was a separate piece of cloth. But the image of the face on the shroud is on the large piece which covered the body.

Also, from what I understand, the body in those days was wrapped in cloth strips, not one large piece.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Ann...

"Honestly, if God did not allow the original writings of His Word to survive, why would the burial cloths of Jesus still be here?"

The obvious answer would be that God wanted to do it! :thumbs:

He wanted another witness as we approach the end times.

As for me, I'm in the middle regarding this topic. If it is His image, fine. If its not, thats fine too.


All I know for sure is that I have to log off now, as its time for our evening service.

Be back later. :godisgood:

 

[lori4dogs]

"As for me, I'm in the middle regarding this topic. If it is His image, fine. If its not, thats fine too."

I think this should be any Christians view.

 

[Tom Butler]

I'll have to say I remain skeptical about the shroud.

 

[Trotter]

As far as I am concerned the shroud is just another potential idol for some.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Click the link and get several images of the shroud.

Its certainly interesting...


http://images.google.com/images?q=Shroud%20of%20Turin&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ADFA_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

 

[Alive in Christ]

The thing that is a bit funny about those images is the one where they show the face shot from the shroud next to a painting of Christ. :laugh:

As if THAT proves anything! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Tom Butler]

The thing that is a bit funny about those images is the one where they show the face shot from the shroud next to a painting of Christ. :laugh:

As if THAT proves anything! :smilewinkgrin:

Uh, if we don't have the painting, then how are we going to know what Jesus looked like? And then how can we verify that the shroud image is really that of Jesus?

Oops, never mind. I read one time that Jesus actually had short hair.

 

[donnA]

No it is not Christ's shroud, as Ann said, if the original writting of something so important as scripture do not exist, then why would God give us a shroud for men to worship?

 

[Jedi Knight]

I think the shroud of Turin is not the wrappings of Christ. Here is why:

John 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.


According to John's gospel, the head wrap was a separate piece of cloth. But the image of the face on the shroud is on the large piece which covered the body.

Also, from what I understand, the body in those days was wrapped in cloth strips, not one large piece.

Howdy sister Amy! On top of your game here.:thumbs:

 

[TC]

I saw a book at Barnes and Noble a few years ago that said that the Shroud of Turin was not the burial cloth of Jesus. The author claimed that the shroud was the burial cloth of the last leader of the Knights Templar. At this time, I cannot remember the author or the title of the book.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I think the shroud of Turin is not the wrappings of Christ. Here is why:

John 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.


According to John's gospel, the head wrap was a separate piece of cloth. But the image of the face on the shroud is on the large piece which covered the body.

Also, from what I understand, the body in those days was wrapped in cloth strips, not one large piece.

This is key - good post

 

[Alive in Christ]

Donna...

No it is not Christ's shroud, as Ann said, if the original writting of something so important as scripture do not exist, then why would God give us a shroud...."

If it IS Christs image,(and I dont know if it is or isnt) God would have done it because it pleased Him to do it, and He had His reasons.

"...for men to worship?

I've never heard of anyone worshipping this shroud, but if they do...they shouldnt.

 

[Peggy]

I believe the Shroud is actually the burial cloth of Christ. No one has ever reproduced the image. The image was not painted on; the closest scientists can get was that it was burned on. Burned on when? At the moment of His Resurrection.

John 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Yes, as this verse states, there were two clothes. The shroud covered his body, front and back, and the linen napkin was around the head. The shroud was closest to the body. Human blood created the stains on the Shroud. The wounds on the Shroud correspond exactly to Biblical accounts of the crucifixion.

I believe that the Shroud was preserved to demonstrate to skeptics and believers the power of the Resurrection.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Doesn't the Bible say that after his death that Jesus didn't even look human? I don't see much signs of physical suffering in the shroud to cause someone to not look human. I've always been a doubter of the shroud.

(Isaiah 52:14) The Suffering Servant

14) Just as many were astonished at you,– so his appearance was disfigured so to lose resemblance with man, so his form was marred beyond recognition as a man.


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[Amy.G]

I believe the Shroud is actually the burial cloth of Christ. No one has ever reproduced the image. The image was not painted on; the closest scientists can get was that it was burned on. Burned on when? At the moment of His Resurrection.

John 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Yes, as this verse states, there were two clothes. The shroud covered his body, front and back, and the linen napkin was around the head. The shroud was closest to the body. Human blood created the stains on the Shroud. The wounds on the Shroud correspond exactly to Biblical accounts of the crucifixion.

I believe that the Shroud was preserved to demonstrate to skeptics and believers the power of the Resurrection.

So where is the napkin?

It's interesting that none of the apostles ever mention this cloth.

I would also think that because of the enormous amount of blood loss that Jesus endured, the shroud would have been absolutely saturated with His blood and not just in the points of the wounds. He was buried hurriedly without no time to wash the body. The bible says that He was not even recognizable as a human because of the beatings that He endured. Flesh was ripped away from the bone and His face was not the face of a man. (Is. 52:14) Yet, the image of the face on the shroud was clearly that of a man who was not beaten to the extent that Christ was.

 

[RAdam]

I've always been highly skeptical of the shroud. The text from John concerning the napkin placed around His head is hard to get around for the shroud. The other problems I have are these:

- It really makes the Resurrection of Jesus Christ like sci-fi. It burned His image onto this shroud they say. While we don't know exactly what the resurrection was like, that doesn't sound right. When Jesus raised people from the dead (acknowledging that His resurrection was different in that it was a resurrection to never die again) there wasn't a light and magic show. The disembodied soul and the dead body were simply reunited, life resumed in the body, and the person got up, came forth, etc. To me it seems much more likely that the Resurrection of the Lord was in like manner than the idea that it burned His image into His burial clothes.

- It really sounds like a forgery meant to convince gainsayers. Never once in the bible is it mentioned as evidence of the resurrection. Paul gives evidences of this incredible event in 1 Corinthians 15 but does not mention the burial clothes or an image of Christ burned onto them. Jesus doesn't point His disciples to consider His image burned onto His burial wrappings, but rather tells them to handle Him, feel the nail prints, His side, etc. It is just all very convenient and it's really not how God typically works.

- I've never bought the idea that Jesus had long hair.

The resurrection was to be supported by eyewitness accounts and believed by faith.

 

[Baptist4life]

Did anyone ever see the movie "The Robe" with Victor Mature? I think the shroud is kinda the same thing. Amy's post removes any doubt that it "might be" the real shroud.