The Simplicity of the Gospel

[Reformed]

I wholly agree with the elegant simplicity of the Gospel. So I hate the nitpick. But would you consider the resurrection an integral part of "believe on Jesus Christ"?

That is a great question. I think Acts 16:32 indicates that the jailer probably heard the entire story of Jesus.

Acts 16:32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house.

Two verses later we read:

Acts 16:34 And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole household.

So, the jailer and those in his household heard the word from Paul and Silas. Given the fact that the resurrection is a central part of the gospel message, we can strongly infer that the jailer and his household were told about it.

 

[Yeshua1]

That is a great question. I think Acts 16:32 indicates that the jailer probably heard the entire story of Jesus.

Acts 16:32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house.

Two verses later we read:

Acts 16:34 And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole household.

So, the jailer and those in his household heard the word from Paul and Silas. Given the fact that the resurrection is a central part of the gospel message, we can strongly infer that the jailer and his household were told about it.

The real Gospel has to include Jesus born of a Virgin, was God and Man, died for our sins in our place, and rose from the Dead! I would also add that it should be the Penal Substitution atonement emphasized also!

 

[Van]

Ok, we know you can copy and paste. How about actually dealing with an argument for a change? Or are you not able to?

Once again, a post addressing and disparaging another poster. No on topic content, just deflection

 

[Van]

Jesus replied, " What is impossible with man is possible with God."

Using this verse to justify bogus views, absurd views, nonsensical views is to misrepresent the intended message. Claiming God who could do something, actually did something, without specific support in scripture is unwise.

 

[Yeshua1]

Using this verse to justify bogus views, absurd views, nonsensical views is to misrepresent the intended message. Claiming God who could do something, actually did something, without specific support in scripture is unwise.

Are you still blasting our Bogus theology here?

 

[Reformed1689]

Once again, a post addressing and disparaging another poster. No on topic content, just deflection

No, it's called holding you accountable to actually engage the arguments instead of your tantrums.

 

[Van]

My view is the biblical view, your view is a relic of the dark ages, obviously false.

Total Spiritual Inability = false doctrine
Limited Spiritual Ability = true doctrine 1 Corinthians 3:1-3

Unconditional Election = false doctrine
Election for Salvation based on our faith = true doctrine 2 Thessalonians 2:13

Limited Atonement = false doctrine
Reconciliation Available for All = true doctrine 1 John 2:2

Irresistible Grace = false doctrine
Resistible Grace = true doctrine Matthew 23:13

Possible Loss of Salvation = false doctrine
Once Saved, Always Saved = true doctrine. John 3:16

Each of these true doctrines must be included in preaching the gospel, and all these false doctrines must be exposed as false.

Turning over our lives to God (not my way but Your way) and accepting the persecution that comes with proclaiming the name of Jesus is a much higher bar that "believing on Jesus." Sacrificial love and devotion to Christ is much more.

 

[Reformed1689]

My view is the biblical view, your view is a relic of the dark ages, obviously false.

What kind of argument is this?

Here is Van's argument: I call my view the biblical view therefore it is. Your view is old and from a time when people were uneducated largely so it must be false.

 

[Van]

What kind of argument is this?

Here is Van's argument: I call my view the biblical view therefore it is. Your view is old and from a time when people were uneducated largely so it must be false.

Once again, my view is mis-characterized in order to disparage. No quote is provided because the charge is fiction.

I supported my biblical view by providing specific verses that teach each of the points.

1) Why did Paul speak as to men of flesh using spiritual milk, if they could not understand spiritual milk?
2) Why are we chosen through faith in the truth, if our election for salvation is unconditional?
3) Why did Jesus become the propitiation or means of salvation for whole world if He only died for some of the world?
4) How could men entering the kingdom be blocked if they were being compelled by irresistible grace?
5) If those in Christ never perish, and have eternal life, how could they lose it?

 

[Reformed1689]

2) Why are we chosen through faith in the truth, if our election for salvation is unconditional?

We aren't. Simple as that. Bible doesn't say that either.

3) Why did Jesus become the propitiation or means of salvation for whole world if He only died for some of the world?

Whole world does not mean individual people. All people groups.

5) If those in Christ never perish, and have eternal life, how could they lose it?

What are you talking about?

 

[Van]

Once again, we get "deny" and "deflect."
1) Why did Paul speak as to men of flesh using spiritual milk, if they could not understand spiritual milk? 1 Corinthians 3:1-3
2) Why are we chosen through faith in the truth, if our election for salvation is unconditional? 2 Thessalonians 2:13
3) Why did Jesus become the propitiation or means of salvation for whole world if He only died for some of the world? 1 John 2:2
4) How could men entering the kingdom be blocked if they were being compelled by irresistible grace? Matthew 23:13
5) If those in Christ never perish, and have eternal life, how could they lose it? If you never perish, your life remains eternal. John 3:16

 

[Reformed1689]

1) Why did Paul speak as to men of flesh using spiritual milk, if they could not understand spiritual milk? 1 Corinthians 3:1-3

These people are already believers but they are spiritually immature. They aren't ready for the deeper things yet.

2) Why are we chosen through faith in the truth, if our election for salvation is unconditional? 2 Thessalonians 2:13

That's not what the verse says. We are not chosen because of our faith, we have faith because we are chosen.

3) Why did Jesus become the propitiation or means of salvation for whole world if He only died for some of the world? 1 John 2:2

This is mankind in general, not every individual. Here is a problem with your theology Van, if it is every individual, why do some go to Hell?

4) How could men entering the kingdom be blocked if they were being compelled by irresistible grace? Matthew 23:13

This is an illustration to say they are not preaching the truth.

5) If those in Christ never perish, and have eternal life, how could they lose it? If you never perish, your life remains eternal. John 3:16

I don't understand what you are even trying to say here. Please clarify.

 

[Yeshua1]

Once again, we get "deny" and "deflect."
1) Why did Paul speak as to men of flesh using spiritual milk, if they could not understand spiritual milk? 1 Corinthians 3:1-3
2) Why are we chosen through faith in the truth, if our election for salvation is unconditional? 2 Thessalonians 2:13
3) Why did Jesus become the propitiation or means of salvation for whole world if He only died for some of the world? 1 John 2:2
4) How could men entering the kingdom be blocked if they were being compelled by irresistible grace? Matthew 23:13
5) If those in Christ never perish, and have eternal life, how could they lose it? If you never perish, your life remains eternal. John 3:16

You err greatly due to the fact that you misunderstanding that in the Fallw e all become spiritual deaf, dumb, and blind to things and ways of God, and that to Paul, 3 classes of people would be the lost, saved babes in Christ, and the mature in Christ!

 

[Van]

Two denial and deflection posts in a row, note that introit actually addressed the questions. For example the issue is not who Paul addressed, but why he spoke as to men of flesh using spiritual milk if men of flesh could not understand spiritual milk. Deflection on display.

 

[Reformed1689]

Two denial and deflection posts in a row, note that introit actually addressed the questions. For example the issue is not who Paul addressed, but why he spoke as to men of flesh using spiritual milk if men of flesh could not understand spiritual milk. Deflection on display.

The verse does not say they couldn't understand spiritual milk. You are adding that in.

And it is flat false to say my response to you was nothing but denial. The only one denying or deflecting is you. I gave arguments, you won't (or can't) interact with them.

 

[Yeshua1]

The verse does not say they couldn't understand spiritual milk. You are adding that in.

And it is flat false to say my response to you was nothing but denial. The only one denying or deflecting is you. I gave arguments, you won't (or can't) interact with them.

Van keeps on riding into the ground his own hobby horse theology, despite both of us showing from scriptures where he errs!

 

[Van]

Denial and deflection, thus they may know they cannot defend their bogus doctrines biblically.

1) Why did Paul speak as to men of flesh using spiritual milk, if they could not understand spiritual milk?
1 Corinthians 3:1-3
2) Why are we chosen through faith in the truth, if our election for salvation is unconditional?
2 Thessalonians 2:13
3) Why did Jesus become the propitiation or means of salvation for whole world if He only died for some of the world? 1 John 2:2
4) How could men entering the kingdom be blocked if they were being compelled by irresistible grace? Matthew 23:13
5) If those in Christ never perish, and have eternal life, how could they lose it? If you never perish, your life remains eternal. John 3:16

The TULI of the TULIP has once again been shown to be unbiblical, and once again the rebuttal has been to change the subject.

 

[Yeshua1]

Denial and deflection, thus they may know they cannot defend their bogus doctrines biblically.

1) Why did Paul speak as to men of flesh using spiritual milk, if they could not understand spiritual milk?
1 Corinthians 3:1-3
2) Why are we chosen through faith in the truth, if our election for salvation is unconditional?
2 Thessalonians 2:13
3) Why did Jesus become the propitiation or means of salvation for whole world if He only died for some of the world? 1 John 2:2
4) How could men entering the kingdom be blocked if they were being compelled by irresistible grace? Matthew 23:13
5) If those in Christ never perish, and have eternal life, how could they lose it? If you never perish, your life remains eternal. John 3:16

The TULI of the TULIP has once again been shown to be unbiblical, and once again the rebuttal has been to change the subject.

God's basis for choosing any of us is based upon his good will and pleasure, period, and natural unsaved lost sinners cannot know the things of God, cannot discern them!

 

[Reformed1689]

Denial and deflection, thus they may know they cannot defend their bogus doctrines biblically.

1) Why did Paul speak as to men of flesh using spiritual milk, if they could not understand spiritual milk?
1 Corinthians 3:1-3
2) Why are we chosen through faith in the truth, if our election for salvation is unconditional?
2 Thessalonians 2:13
3) Why did Jesus become the propitiation or means of salvation for whole world if He only died for some of the world? 1 John 2:2
4) How could men entering the kingdom be blocked if they were being compelled by irresistible grace? Matthew 23:13
5) If those in Christ never perish, and have eternal life, how could they lose it? If you never perish, your life remains eternal. John 3:16

The TULI of the TULIP has once again been shown to be unbiblical, and once again the rebuttal has been to change the subject.

Van, I have answered every one of these arguments and you have yet to deal with them at all. Who is the one deflecting? It's not me.

 

[Van]

God's basis for choosing any of us is based upon his good will and pleasure, period, and natural unsaved lost sinners cannot know the things of God, cannot discern them!

Directly contradicted by James 2:5, chosen as poor to the world, rich in faith, and heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love God.