Yelsew,
Did you not see the point I was making...my wedding night. Have you no sense of humor?
Why yes I did, that is why I responded with humor in kind.
I knew of God's law long before my nineteenth year, which is the age I married. However, there is not any pleading ignorance at the bar of the Justice of God.
But at what age were you first fully conscious of God's law? Was is 1 week? 2 months? 9 months? 15months? 27 months? 3 years? 5 years? The point is you do not know when you first became fully conscious of God's law because God's law was not ingrained in you. You may have learned the 10 Commandments so that you could recite them in Sunday School to earn a gold star, but you were not fully conscious of God's law until that time when you were willing to submit to it!
Adam was created without sin, but the ability to not sin, he failed. I was not created, I was born, reproduced through my parents as I said above, and born into this sin nature. There is no getting around it
You have every attribute that Adam had, with one exception, you have a belly button. Every aspect of Adam (man) is present in every descending man throughout time. You are in every way but one just like Adam. You have in you the same human nature present in Adam, and you sin just like Adam sinned. For the early part of your life you were innocent of sin, just as Adam in the early part of his life was innocent of sin. but at some point of your life, you sinned, as Adam sinned. Therefore Like Adam, who brought out of the garden a sin nature, having sinned, thus being guilty of sinning, you likewise bring with you out or your idyllic early life a sin nature, having sinned, thus it is you are guilty of sinning.
You asked,
How do you think the Psalmist David is able to say he was formed in iniquity?
I don't know unless Jesse and his wife were not married when David was conceived, but that is unlikely as David had at least 6 older male siblings. David's writings are for the most part considered by most scholars to be poetry, therefore in poetic form one can conceal the correct meaning. I do not believe that anyone is "formed in iniquity" because marriage is God's plan, and the womb is a sacred place. David was not different in essence that any other man. He was different in spirit than most other men in that God found him to be a man after his own heart. Even so, David sinned.
Yelsew said, "Yes, infants inherently have the same nature that Adam was created with, and they too will eventually sin just as Adam sinned. They however are not born already guilty of sinning, they grow into it!
Frogman replied,
If you believe this, then you would also believe it is possible for man to not sin, therefore making man able to live according to the law and making the Cross of no effect, either as an Arminian, free-willer or a Calvinist. Do you believe it is possible for man to "grow into sin" then by default it is just as possible for man to not "grow into sin." This is heresy. Everywhere the Bible proclaims the depravity of man, Everywhere you deny this depravity, thereby glorifying man and not God.
I suspect reading is not your strong suit. You skip over the thoughts I write, looking for words that you can slam back at me. Now what is difficult about each of us having the same nature that Adam had, yet being innocent of sinning until that first sin that we all do?
Yelsew said, "Reproduced? What were you when you were first produced?"
Frogman replied,
A sinner...a sinner...totally depraved...without hope except that God has come...my kind to save...yet still am I without the first hope...if within my blindness...for the walls of salvation I grope.
I guess you didn't catch my humor, so we're even. Besides, God is not in the reproduction business, because no 2 of us is alike thus reproduced does not fit the description of man.
Frogman said,
Tis the Blood, yes, that Blood of Immanuel's veins...without a trace of man's...but the Blood of God and God alone...through the darkness the way is shown.
If not for this through Amazing Grace...forever in hell I would find my place...And here if justice were measured to me...rightly would I be.
But in the depths of Eternity...no, deeper yet His Grace we see...God has provided Himself a sacrifice...and secured the sinner...without man's price.
Tis this and this alone which shall bring me before His Eternal Throne...My own will having been broken...His Spirit He has given me as Token...In this I rest each night and day...Assured that Jesus opened up the Way.
Nice poetry. Did you happen to notice in the last paragraph the phrase "My own will having been broken"? A definite sign that man has his own will, and when one comes to faith in Jesus, that will is broken so it can be molded by the hand of God