There is a war being waged. What makes this situation any different from the North Sea and Baltic during WW2?
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The Situation in Ukraine Part 2
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Konstantin
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Even the German Nazis planted fixed minefields during WWII. And the American-Bandera Ukrainian government surpassed its predecessors in villainy. They lay drifting mines. Commands for the colony come from Washington.
You're giving Washington much more credit than they deserve. Further, yes the North Sea and Baltic minefields were primarily fixed mines. However, said mines were known to come adrift from time to time. I speak as a Coast Guard veteran who spent time on a sea-going buoy tender. Buoys are all that much different from mines. As for villainy, who are the ones threatening a sea-born attack on Odessa?
Konstantin
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You are changing concepts again. Drifting mines during World War II were accidental. They appeared as a result of a break in the fastening. Ukrainian neo-Nazis specifically release drifting mines.
Now about Odessa. Odessa is also a Russian city, like Mariupol. Nobody is going to attack Odessa. Odessa will be liberated from the power of Ukrainian neo-Nazis, just as it was in 1944.
Boy, do you have your historical geography mixed up. Odessa as far as I know has always been a part of Ukraine since the Russians took over the area from the Turks. Just because a city has a large population of a given ethnic group it doesn't mean it belongs politically to that ethnic group.
Konstantin
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No boy. I think, you had failing grades in the school history. The territory on which Odessa is now located was called Novorossia in the Russian Empire, (since the Russians took over the area from the Turks) not Ukraine. The word Ukraine is translated into English as "outskirts". That is, Novorossia (New Russia) was the western outskirts of the Russian Empire.
Besides, you're also a lazy boy. All this information can be found on the Internet, in free access.
From what I read, I can wiki with the best of them, Novo Rossia is an older term for what is now the eastern part of the old UkSSR. The DonBas is in NovoRossia. Odessa is on the opposite side. What we are seeing are the jagged edges of the break up of an empire. Under the Tsars and Commissars, it didn't matter if a locality had a large Russian-speaking population. Today, it does. As for Ukraine, at one time in English, it was referred to as the Ukraine. With the meaning of the frontier.
Konstantin
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Your knowledge of school history is poor. The entire south of present-day Ukraine is the former Novorossiya (New Russia) --the southwestern region of the Russian Empire. Donbass is only a part of the former Novorossiya. The city of Odessa is also part of the former Novorossiya.
That's not what the wiki New Russia Governate article says.
Konstantin
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This article does not talk about Odessa at all. Read other sources.)))
I hope you are able to independently find historical materials about the belonging of Odessa to Novorossiya.)))
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I read the Odessa article.
Konstantin
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Maybe. Not all articles about Odessa say that Odessa was part of the former Novorossiya)))
Is this an accurate map of the New Russia Governate?
https://gdb.rferl.org/9915A307-7535-4553-9B1B-A13D88C960E8.jpg
According to wiki politically it was disestablished in 1802.
https://gdb.rferl.org/9915A307-7535-4553-9B1B-A13D88C960E8.jpg
According to wiki politically it was disestablished in 1802.
Konstantin
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Even on the map you provided, the city of Odessa is located in the shaded part of the map on the territory of Novorossia. On your map, Odessa is a region, not a city.
How do you manage to find exactly fake information? )))
Except for Kyiv, no cities are shown. I did a google image search. And I did ask if the map was accurate. I believe the map shows the various oblasts of the region. It's not all that granular.
Konstantin
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This is easy to check. It is necessary to impose a map, where the city of Odessa is indicated, on your map. But if it is still not clear to you that the city of Odessa is located on the territory of the former Novorossia, I see no reason to prove this fact to you.
Where do you get that they are drifting? It was my impression that were strategically laid out and I would expect anchored patterns.
I hear some did break away and are drifting. Guess the civilians better stay out of the area until Russia goes back were they belong and it is cleaned up.
Konstantin
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A precise missile attack on the barracks of the 79th Assault Airborne Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Nikolaev killed 294 soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This happened on March 19. The exact number of those killed became known only today. This brigade has been distinguished by special atrocities against the civilian population in Donbass since 2014. The number of wounded soldiers is not reported.
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