The situation in Ukraine

[Konstantin]

Russian troops occupied the city of Kherson and organized interaction with the local authorities.
The cities of Kupyansk, Berdyansk, and Melitopol are also occupied. Organized interaction with local authorities.

There are street fights in Kyiv and Kharkov.

The authorities of the city of Konotop agreed with the Russian commanders not to bring the Russian contingent into the city.

Russian troops control the territory of the former Chernobyl nuclear power plant. The Russian army took control of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.

The city of Mariupol was encircled. It is controlled by the neo-Nazi Azov regiment.

Intensive artillery shelling of the center of Donetsk by the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues. There are civilian casualties.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

From a Polish NGO

 

[canadyjd]

From a Polish NGO

Absolutely Awesome!!!

peace to you

 

[Squire Robertsson]

As I look back on the last five years or so, I see the Kremlin has used the label "neo-Nazi" fairly indiscriminately for any Ukrainian nationalist movement. Back during the Great Patriotic War, there were collaborationist, anti-Bolshevik groups. As I understand it, none of them survived more than five years after V-E Day. Thanks to the efforts of the KGB. As for your citing of a finding by the US House of Representatives, please give a solid reference to the finding.

the neo-Nazi Azov regiment.

 

[Konstantin]

According to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, more than 3,000 civilians have died during the years of the armed conflict in Donbass. Over 200 children died during 8 years of shelling by Ukrainian artillery. This figure continues to increase. 156 children killed by the Ukrainian military are buried in the Alley of Angels in Donetsk.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHq0cWeXoAU2O6U.jpg

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Are you expecting no civilian casualties in a war? Or for Kyiv to roll over and let the Kremlin scratch its belly?

 

[Konstantin]

As I look back on the last five years or so, I see the Kremlin has used the label "neo-Nazi" fairly indiscriminately for any Ukrainian nationalist movement. Back during the Great Patriotic War, there were collaborationist, anti-Bolshevik groups. As I understand it, none of them survived more than five years after V-E Day. Thanks to the efforts of the KGB. As for your citing of a finding by the US House of Representatives, please give a solid reference to the finding.

Trials of war criminals, including Ukrainian collaborators, continued throughout the post-war period. Israel succeeded in searching for war criminals. Most of them found refuge in the United States, Canada and South America.

 

[Benjamin]

The Ukrainian people clearly do not want Russia to "liberate" them.

Sending in 12,000 brutal Chechen fighters will probably result in a more brutal and larger resistance force being created.

The Russian soldiers don't have the heart for this fight, whereas the Ukrainian people are prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary to keep their freedom.

Anyone notice the Ukrainians pulling an operational Russian artilleries launcher with farm tractors? Those weren't military tractors but rather it demonstrates the ordinary people using whatever resources they have to get into this fight.

Stingers, Javelins, anti-tank weapons, guns, ammo and other supplies are starting to pour into the hands of the Ukrainians while the Russian supply lines are weak, under financed and even many of their supplies would need to come from other countries to which they have been cut off.

As the fighting gets more brutal more pressure will on us not to buy Russian oil and the demand to reopen our own energy source potentials again could grow to the point that it actually happens.

The Russian economy is being absolutely devastated and hit from all sides, Putin's political strength will fade fast. If their oil exports are interrupted it is pretty much game over.

The Ukrainian's morale is high and true to their determined nature that they are in this fight to win, drawing an ever increasing number of fighters from 10s of millions of this strong people against a couple hundred thousand Russian troops that many are hesitant to even fire upon them.

The biggest questions coming to mind are how long will this drag out and how will Putin get out of it and what condition will both countries be in at the end.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I was writing about organizations located in Ukraine, not individuals who escaped.

Trials of war criminals, including Ukrainian collaborators, continued throughout the post-war period. Israel succeeded in searching for war criminals. Most of them found refuge in the United States, Canada, and South America.

 

[Konstantin]

The Ukrainian people clearly do not want Russia to "liberate" them.

Sending in 12,000 brutal Chechen fighters will probably result in a more brutal and larger resistance force being created.

The Russian soldiers don't have the heart for this fight, whereas the Ukrainian people are prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary to keep their freedom.

Anyone notice the Ukrainians pulling an operational Russian artilleries launcher with farm tractors? Those weren't military tractors but rather it demonstrates the ordinary people using whatever resources they have to get into this fight.

Stingers, Javelins, anti-tank weapons, guns, ammo and other supplies are starting to pour into the hands of the Ukrainians while the Russian supply lines are weak, under financed and even many of their supplies would need to come from other countries to which they have been cut off.

As the fighting gets more brutal more pressure will on us not to buy Russian oil and the demand to reopen our own energy source potentials again could grow to the point that it actually happens.

The Russian economy is being absolutely devastated and hit from all sides, Putin's political strength will fade fast. If their oil exports are interrupted it is pretty much game over.

The Ukrainian's morale is high and true to their determined nature that they are in this fight to win, drawing an ever increasing number of fighters from 10s of millions of this strong people against a couple hundred thousand Russian troops that many are hesitant to even fire upon them.

The biggest questions coming to mind are how long will this drag out and how will Putin get out of it and what condition will both countries be in at the end.

You base your conclusions on the dreams of your heart. But there is the word of God - the Bible. 10 years after the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, Russia will begin to eat "much flesh" (Dan.7:5).
The United States will face a Civil War and then complete destruction. More here The heart of “Egypt” shall melt

 

[asterisktom]

According to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, more than 3,000 civilians have died during the years of the armed conflict in Donbass. Over 200 children died during 8 years of shelling by Ukrainian artillery. This figure continues to increase. 156 children killed by the Ukrainian military are buried in the Alley of Angels in Donetsk.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHq0cWeXoAU2O6U.jpg

When we were in Kramatorsk, northern Donetsk, the man we rented apartment from had similar stories. At the entrance to the apartment there were warnings to be careful when walking out in the countryside because of unexploded ordinance.

 

[Benjamin]

You base your conclusions on the dreams of your heart. But there is the word of God - the Bible. 10 years after the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, Russia will begin to eat "much flesh" (Dan.7:5).
The United States will face a Civil War and then complete destruction. More here The heart of “Egypt” shall melt

I'd say you’re basing your conclusions on reading this situation into the scriptures with your cosmic conscience prophetic glasses on.

I'm calling out the reality on the ground and where I believe it is headed while considering the will of the Ukrainian people and the logistics, financial and political devastation facing this Russian aggression.

 

[asterisktom]

I'd say you’re basing your conclusions on reading this situation into the scriptures with your cosmic conscience prophetic glasses on.

I'm calling out the reality on the ground and where I believe it is headed while considering the will of the Ukrainian people and the logistics, financial and political devastation facing this Russian aggression.

There is no "the Ukrainian people" any more than there are "the American people". There are pro-Ukraine, pro-Russian, and neither-of-the-above" factions.

Our media paints an unrealistic picture of unanimous Ukraine solidarity. I have seen video of Russian troops in Berdyansk. Some videos show them being welcomed. Others protesting against them.

But I agree that he is misapplying Scripture.

 

[Benjamin]

More here The heart of “Egypt” shall melt

Simply reading the first couple sentences in your reference suggests to me that you likely are of the same messed up mindset of Putin and the author of your ...whatever you want to call it, that this is a spiritual endeavor ordained by God.

"After an open military confrontation with Russia, the USA will lose its dominance in the world forever. In the world there will be two superpowers after 2019 -- Russia and the United States. The United States, eventually, will be changed into a regional power. But “China, whom all kept as a main Dragon of the future, is just papery. Problems will devour it earlier than they would think”. [1]

Curiously, V.V. Putin correctly understands the future of the United States."

 

[Benjamin]

There is no "the Ukrainian people" any more than there are "the American people". There are pro-Ukraine, pro-Russian, and neither-of-the-above" factions.

I believe the vast majority of the Ukrainian people do not want to be "liberated" by Russia. That is a Russian lie that it seems you are buying into.

Our media paints an unrealistic picture of unanimous Ukraine solidarity.

"Unanimous" and suggesting I'm guided by MSM propaganda amounts to a strawman, of course there will be some agreement between these closely related people, however, I looked into the Ukrainian culture long before this war started, mostly with videos made by the Ukrainian people and I'd say all of these real people were of the same mind against Russian rule whenever the subject arose. If I had to guess I'd say better than 80% want to maintain their freedom from Russia.

 

[Wingman68]

Russia declares war on the Straussians

Highly recommend taking a minute or two here.

 

[asterisktom]

I believe the vast majority of the Ukrainian people do not want to be "liberated" by Russia. That is a Russian lie that it seems you are buying into.

You put words in my mouth. I never said "liberated". But I guess it simplifies your case to put me on the opposite side. My main point is that this situation is more complicated than many Westerners assume. My being in Ukraine those months does not make me an expert, of course, but I did learn a lot that I did not know from just studying.

BTW it could be that "liberated" would be the appropriate word for Lukhansk Province and, to a lesser degree, Donetsk Province

 

[asterisktom]

I had to guess I'd say better than 80% want to maintain their freedom from Russia.

You may be right. But I don't think that Putin has his eyes on all of Ukraine, just those two provinces. I could be wrong of course

 

[Benjamin]

You put words in my mouth. I never said "liberated".

You putting words into my mouth, I never said you said "liberated" it was in reference to the excuse Putin gave.

You may be right. But I don't think that Putin has his eyes on all of Ukraine, just those two provinces. I could be wrong of course

Well, I think Putin has more land than he needs already but is looking at gaining potential resources in greed while falsely justifying his attempts.

 

[Squire Robertsson]