The smoking quid pro quo

[HankD]

I seriously doubt that two-thirds of the House, two thirds of the Senate, and 38 states will go along with that.

maybe

 

[HankD]

Or maybe this.

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If a Russian calls DON'T ANSWER!

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I will turn 65 years old, the Lord willing, a few days after the 2020 general election and I am not going to vote for anyone who is older than me for president any more.

Hmmm. And when you hit the 70, 80, 90, 100 marks, will your standard still be the same? 'Twould progressively widen the field, y'know.

 

[KenH]

Hmmm. And when you hit the 70, 80, 90, 100 marks, will your standard still be the same? 'Twould progressively widen the field, y'know.

Personally, I also I don’t think that anyone who has reached the age of 70 should run for public office. So the window will actually run out for me voting for the 65-69 crowd who might be younger than me in a few years.

 

[Alan Gross]

“Goodness knows what excuses Republicans will come up with next, but we know now there is substantial evidence of the worst-case scenario: An American president tried to extort a foreign government into injecting itself into our election by finding dirt on a political opponent, using as leverage essential aid to an ally fighting against Russian aggression. That is what Republicans are being asked to defend.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/23/smoking-quid-pro-quo/

I do not know of any evidence,

A.) *An American president tried to extort a foreign government B.) into injecting itself into our election
C.) by finding dirt on
D.) a political opponent,
E.) using as leverage essential aid
F.) to an ally fighting against Russian aggression,

and I do not believe any evidence exists.

* with regard to our current President.

 

[carpro]

* with regard to our current President.

Good thing you added that.

 

[Alan Gross]

Good thing you added that.

Really, we could have been here a while!

 

[StefanM]

Being anti-Trump does not make one a Democrat.

Very true. I used to be a Democrat, but I am definitely not one any more.

Under no circumstances will I vote for any of the Democrats running for President. Anyone I could consider supporting would definitely not be nominated by the Democratic party, and I don't trust the so-called "moderates," either.

I used to believe it was possible that many in the party weren't necessarily on board with the left-wing, and when they talked about being tolerant of other views, not forcing their beliefs, etc., I sometimes thought it was genuine (not always). I think they've shown their true colors as of late.

IMO, they are conflating dislike of Trump with support of left-wing policies, and that's definitely not the case.

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All that being said . . .

I truly wish that Trump would not be in office. Can there not be another Republican who can give us the same positives (like SCOUTS appointments, tax reform, support for religious freedom, pro-life etc.) without the negatives?

Perhaps we needed Trump to get the ball rolling and to expose things that needed to be exposed. But now? I think he's more of a liability than an asset.

I personally think he is unfit for office, and I do think he probably should be impeached and removed from office, if the evidence is there.

Two reasons for my thoughts:

1) I do think there are major issues with integrity and possible corruption, and I do strongly question his decision making and his authoritarian bent.

I think we would be better off with a conservative President who is less of a loose cannon. (And before anyone says anything--I know Democrats have MAJOR issues with integrity and corruption and authoritarianism, but, if we believe our principles are right, shouldn't we aim higher instead of just pointing the finger at the other side?)

2) I think impeachment and removal would probably be the best thing that could happen for the GOP.

The party could shift more toward principles and away from the personality-driven party it is becoming. GOP politicians wouldn't have to defend the indefensible so much. ALSO---and this is key---if Trump is actually impeached and removed, the Democrats will lose their major motivator (getting rid of Trump), and the Republicans can run on a platform of economic growth (and the other positives). Furthermore, the 2020 election can be more about ideas than personality, and the Democratic ideas are garbage. It will not be hard to make a rational case against them, and if you don't have to deal with the fact that Trump is so off-putting to a large number of people (not just Democrats), it's not even close. Plus, when you add the fact that at least some Republicans would have had to vote to remove Trump, Republicans can claim the moral high ground of "country first."

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think we would be better off with Vice President Pence at the helm and with either Pence or another similar candidate on the top of the ballot next year.