DHK,
I took a look at the two links that you provided.
The first one seemed like an advertisement for several books.
They didn't really say much about WHAT Adventists believe other than the brief mention of hell and soul sleep and their refutation of it.
It was factual, for what it's worth, but I don't know about the books they were referencing.
The second one was doing ok until I got to part II.
These are his reasons why you shouldn't associate with SDA's.
I quote:
The Doctrine We Have Learned: "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law" (Romans 3;28).
Seventh-day Adventist Doctrinal Offences: "Christ says to every man in this world what He said to the rich young ruler: ‘If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments’" (Saved By Grace, pp. 45,46).
This is retarded. The doctrine you have learned is a verse, and the so called offense is a verse????? Give me a break. The Bible says we are justified by grace without the deeds of the law. BUT, it also says that Jesus told the rich young ruler that if he wanted to enter into life, to KEEP the commandments! NOW, the Bible doesn't contradict, so, the use of this passage by the SDA's ALSO does not contradict!
The Doctrine We Have Learned: "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him" (Romans 5:9).
Seventh-day Adventist Doctrinal Offences: "… Ellen White … she was a fellow Seventh-day Adventist … with no assurance of salvation except as she was faithful and trusted in the merits of her risen Savior" (Messenger to the Remnant, p. 127).
I'm sorry, but it said the only assurance of her salvation was that she was faithful and trusted in the merits of her risen Savior!!! THAT is EXACTLY the meaning of Romans 5:9! She will be saved because of her FAITH and TRUST in Christ! There is NO contradiction!
The Doctrine We Have Learned: "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (Galatians 3:24,25). "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work" (Romans 11:6).
Seventh-day Adventist Doctrinal Offences: "The fact that all who are redeemed are saved by grace does not dispense with the law of God any more in the one dispensation than in the other. The law is not against grace, and grace is not against the law … It is very evident, then, that in the new covenant we do not see the law as a thing of no consequence, but we find it occupying the center of the covenant" (Saved by Grace, pp. 11,36).
Ok, I'll give him that one, because it is a bit confusing. Let me simplify. We are not allowed to sin, just because we know we are under grace. THAT is all it says. The New Covenant states that the law is no longer just a piece of paper or letters written on stone, but now written on the fleshly tables of our hearts! That means that through the power of the Spirit of God, we obey Him, not out of requirment but out of a REAL change in us. We are NEW creatures. Since we were horrible sinners before, after conversion, there should be a DIFFERENCE. There is no contradiction.
The Doctrine We Have Learned: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Colossians 2:16,17).
Seventh-day Adventist Doctrinal Offences: "… it is evident that all ten commandments are binding in the Christian dispensation … One of these commands is the observance of the seventh day as the Sabbath" (Bible Footlights, p. 37).
Ok, this guy is just stupid for picking this one. The Collosians 2 passage states DO NOT LET ANYONE JUDGE YOU in your RESPECT of the days. So, he needs to keep his mouth shut, he is judging us for our respect of the day! We respect the Law of God. We CHOOSE to. It is binding on Christians, because Jesus said, if you LOVE ME, KEEP my Commandments. So, since we love Him, we KEEP His commandments, and they are not grevious.
The Doctrine We Have Learned: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life" (John 5:24).
Seventh-day Adventist Doctrinal Offences: "As the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come into review before God … every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected" (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, p. 425).
Again, this guy is just being stupid. The quote from the GC is talking about the IJ. It is a doctrine which states that there are 3 phases of judgment. ALL OF WHICH are in the BIBLE. Anyone with a concordance and a KJV can see it, if they look up the word judgment. There is no contradiction between that verse, and the IJ. The IJ is not a 'who's going who's not' type of judgment, and he is showing his ignorance by even comparing that verse to the IJ. The IJ is ONLY for the House of God. THEREFORE, those who are IN THE HOUSE OF GOD are under investigation. It is not a deciding judgment, but a pronouncing judgment. It is proving that each person made the choice and lived in faith towards Christ. The IJ goes hand in hand with what the Bible teaches. The last sentence is referring to the people who CLAIMED the name of Christ, but will be told 'depart from me, you workers of iniquity'. Remember that verse? THOSE people, were in the House of God, but under false pretenses. They had a form of Godliness, but denied the power! There is no contradiction.
The Doctrine We Have Learned: "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8).
Seventh-day Adventist Doctrinal Offences: "To be dead does not mean to go to heaven; it does not mean to go to hell … Indeed, it does not mean to go anywhere at all. It means simply an end of life" (When a Man Dies, p. 20)
That quote is totally taken out of context. We have all gone through the concept of what the SDA believes in Soul Sleep. This quote, removed from it's context makes it appear that we don't believe in any kind of afterlife! You all know better. This man is misrepresenting the SDA.
The Doctrine We Have Learned: "If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire" (1 Corinthians 3:14,15).
Seventh-day Adventist Doctrinal Offences: "When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God’s remembrance" (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, p. 425).
This too is out of context. This part of the GC is talking about those who come to a saving knowledge of Jesus, and then turn away from Him. We don't believe in OSAS, which MANY orthodox Christians agree with us on. Based on that, we believe that if someone comes to a saving knowledge and then leaves, the sin that they commit after leaving Christ, is counted to them, and the blood of Christ is not covering those sins because THAT PERSON chose to leave the confines of God's Grace. Because of that, those people will be accountable for that sin, and must pay the penalty themselves. Death. Their names were in the book of life because they came to Christ at a time in their life, but it will be blotted out, because they left Him. This is totally scriptural, and Jesus Himself said it. If you deny Him before men, (and lifestyle can be a way of doing that!), then He will deny you before His Father! Anyone who can read, can see that there is a definate possibility for someone to be blotted out of the book of life.
The Doctrine We Have Learned: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. … And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" (Revelation 20:10,15).
Seventh-day Adventist Doctrinal Offences: "The plain doctrine of the Bible is that the devil and all his works will be destroyed, utterly destroyed. … How repugnant to every emotion of love and mercy, and even to our sense of justice, is the doctrine that the wicked dead are tormented with fire and brimstone in an eternally burning hell" (When a Man Dies, p. 58; The Great Controversy, p. 469).
Two different sources, taken out of context. All the WORKS of the devil will be destroyed. WORKS. And the EGW quote, we have all seen a hundred times. Don't you find it sickening to think that your mother or sister might spend eternity in an eternally burning hell? That's all she is saying! CONTEXT PEOPLE! The doctrine of the SDA Church is that the wicked dead will be resurrected, judged and then thrown into the lake of fire. That doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the devil's fate. The Bible says HE will be tormented DAY AND NIGHT, forever and ever. It doesn't say that about PEOPLE.
The Doctrine We Have Learned: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" (1 Timothy 2:11,12).
Seventh-day Adventist Doctrinal Offences: "Mrs. White’s pre-eminent mission was to help build the dynamics of a Biblical faith into a Christian movement. The Seventh-day Adventist Church is indebted to her as a spiritual leader and a pioneer builder and guide" (Ellen G. White and the S.D.A. Church, p. 2).
So I guess we should throw out the book of Ruth. And, that woman who sings in your church, needs to go sit in silence with her husband. You know, this line of thinking is so clearly IFB. That verse DOES NOT SAY that a woman cannot be a prophet. It said she couldn't be a preacher/ teacher, or an authority over men. EGW was never an authority over men. Her husband, an Elder of the SDA, was her head, and the President of the GC of SDA's, a MAN was his boss! This is so stupid to try and say that the SDA Church considered EGW an authority over the men! She helped to build a movement. Are women no longer allowed to help in the ministry? She was a leader in so much that she led the people to a closer relationship with Jesus Christ, and a more abundant life. If that's a sin, I am guilty as well.
These quotes show how the Seventh-day Adventist denomination contradicts many clear apostolic doctrines. There are many other Adventist doctrinal heresies, of course. Upon the command and authority of Romans 16:17, Bible-believing Christians must mark the Adventist Church as false and avoid associations with the group.
And upon the merits of the entire Bible, I can rebuke this man as a bearer of false witness. He has falsly represented the SDA Church, and given an obviously biased view of it's doctrines.
Further down, in his response to Walter Martin (Kingdom of the Cults) he claims (and I got a kick out of this):
The truth is that Seventh-day Adventism today does not differ in any significant doctrinal way from the Seventh-day Adventism of Ellen White’s day, except that it presents its doctrines in a more subtle manner today. If the Seventh-day Adventist leaders were to change their major distinctive doctrines as outlined by Ellen White, they would be denying their prophetess and pulling the pillars from under themselves. The Adventist Church admits this in the following statement from one of their recent publications:[/quote]
THAT is HILARIOUS!!!
Walter Martin contended that in 1915 the SDA Church had changed significantly enough since 1884 to now be called Orthodox. You know what changed?
Guess. (hint: it is what this thread is supposed to be about)
The second site get's a big fat thumbs down.
You have any more?
This is kinda fun!
God Bless,
Kelly
