The Son of God Issue !

[12strings]

The issue of the Only Begotten Son...

...Notice carefully how it states that the Only Begotten of the Father, begotten of the Father [ Derived] Very God begotten [derived] not made ! Folks thats a contradiction for both begotten and Made denote a dependent existence, which is not fitting for God !

Such a teaching as this is Blasphemous, a subtle attack on the Deity of Jesus Christ, that of the Logos of God, which scripture teaches was God

Wasn't there a famous verse that said the son was begotten? What was it? Man, if I could only think of it???...




...OH YEAH!!! JOHN 3:16!!!!!!

monogenē = Only Begotten. The greek scholars of every major literal translation for the last 500 years translate it "begotten." (Only those going for easier language change it to "one and only.")

So let's review:
1. God himself says in his word that the son is the "only Begotten".
2. SBM say anyone who says the son is begotten is uttering blasphemy.
3. Nicene Creed agrees with the Bible.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Are you saying that Spirit genrated from the Father and the Son also ?

Thats double blasphemy, God does not generate. The word generate means:


to bring into existence; cause to be; produce.

It is clear you don't understand what you actually read then. You are claiming that the Creed indicates that there was a time when Jesus was not. That means you don't understand the word Eternal. Jesus is God. Eternal indicates that there is no point in which something is not. Your arugment therefore is flawed. Jesus is eternally begotten of the father as is indicated.

2.
to create by a vital or natural process.

Your argument is flawed because you lack understanding of what is actually said.

3.
to create and distribute vitally and profusely: He generates ideas that we all should consider. A good diplomat generates good will.

Doesn't even follow in the argument

4.
to reproduce; procreate.

Jesus did become incarnate but that doesn't mean he didn't exist before his incarnation. Again you're having issue by leaving out the meaning of Eternal.

Thus you have substantiated my initial inquiry. You obviously didn't understand what it is you have read and apply a meaning that wasn't intended. Thus Athenasius and the Nicean creed are both correct in discribing the nature of Jesus Christ as Eternally Begotten of the Father. The problem is your inability to understand the mystery of the Trinity of God.

 

[savedbymercy]

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Wasn't there a famous verse that said the son was begotten?

There are many that state the Son was begotten, but not in His Deity. He was begotten as the Mediator and Head of the Church. I mentioned this already in the OP !

 

[Revmitchell]

I have not seen one post that suggested that the Deity of God was begotten.

 

[savedbymercy]

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It is clear you don't understand what you actually read then.

OK, thats your opinion, however it confirms to me that you are lost to what I posted to begin with in the OP, that said, any more comments is a waste of time with you. Not until you can show me you understand all the comments I made in the OP, I will ignore you on this issue.

 

[savedbymercy]

I have not seen one post that suggested that the Deity of God was begotten.

I cannot help what you cannot see, now can i ?

 

[Revmitchell]

I cannot help what you cannot see, now can i ?

I cannot see it because it is not there.

 

[savedbymercy]

I cannot see it because it is not there.

Well, I expect to hear that from one who cannot see what is there !

 

[Revmitchell]

Well, I expect to hear that from one who cannot see what is there !

uh huh. :tonofbricks:

 

[Yeshua1]

Well, I expect to hear that from one who cannot see what is there !

Quick review!

jesus said that he was/is the "Only Begotten" from/of the father

Jesus was always with God and was God....

the Church always has held to Him being eternally begotten, neither Created nor made

That is what we all see, what do you see?

 

[savedbymercy]

Quick review!

jesus said that he was/is the "Only Begotten" from/of the father

Jesus was always with God and was God....

the Church always has held to Him being eternally begotten, neither Created nor made

That is what we all see, what do you see?

Its pretty clear, you believe in a begotten god heresy, that is Blasphemy. The Christ I serve, He was not begotten in His Deity !

 

[Yeshua1]

Its pretty clear, you believe in a begotten god heresy, that is Blasphemy. The Christ I serve, He was not begotten in His Deity !

The Christ that you serve is NOT the One of the bible, based yupon your multiple postings!

why do you deny jesus as being begotten, as he said that he was!

 

[savedbymercy]

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The Christ that you serve is NOT the One of the bible

Yes He is, and in His Deity, He is not an begotten god, like the one you promote ! The Jesus I serve, was in the Beginning Co Equal and Eternal and Self Existing as the Father was Jn 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[Yeshua1]

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Yes He is, and in His Deity, He is not an begotten god, like the one you promote ! The Jesus I serve, was in the Beginning Co Equal and Eternal and Self Existing as the Father was Jn 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

When and how did you become saved by Him than?

 

[savedbymercy]

When and how did you become saved by Him than?

Thats not the issue here, I have given my Testimony on this board once, and thats it, find it, the issue is those who corrupt the Teaching of the Son's Deity, by stating that Deity is begotten, that is Blasphemy and you promote it !

 

[Yeshua1]

Thats not the issue here, I have given my Testimony on this board once, and thats it, find it, the issue is those who corrupt the Teaching of the Son's Deity, by stating that Deity is begotten, that is Blasphemy and you promote it !

Jesus said that he was the "Only begotten" of the Father, if he had no issue with that, why do you?

 

[evangelist-7]

This must be understood to avoid the present blasphemy of the Nicene Creed teaching !

Yes, the verses you quoted in the OP must be understood.
Please do some research on these verses so you will understand them.
.

 

[savedbymercy]

Beware !


The Nicenist / Chalcedonian understanding of the Deity of Christ is corrupt, in that they teach and believe that the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the Eternal Logos Jn 1:1 was begotten out of the Father in precreative eternity, however that's teaching a begotten god theory, which is a mistake; However His Mediatoral Sonship was begotten of the Father in precreative eternity, which was confirmed into a Hypostatic Union with the Eternal Word, the Logos, which was no more begotten as the Father or the Spirit were ! Yes, Jesus had a eternally generated Sonship, but not in His Deity , but as the Surety and Head of the Elect, His Church !