The Story of Kwanzaa

Don't worry about it, that's just the way they'll talk to you if they think you're a "fundie". Must be a long way from him to stoop!

And Kwanzaa's sooooooooooo PC, all the pre-requisites are right there, even the race-baiting:

http://www.officialkwanzaawebsite.org/index.shtml

The "founder's" welcome this year. Try to reconcile that with this:

http://www.nathanielturner.com/karenga2.htm

Uh-huh.

 

Again, it is just a simple question: why do you feel compelled to de-legitimize this particular celebration? Stated another way, what do you hope to accomplish by attempting to de-legitimize this holiday?

HOWEVER, if you want to simply spew contumely, by all means you can direct it at me - I can take it. I just checked my posts to you, and cannot see any statement I made where I identified you as a "fundie." As a matter of fact, that thought never crossed my mind.......

Happy New Year,
BiR

 

1. Can't be too simple for me!

2. It's a racist and divisive invention.

IF (racist AND divisive)=YES, GOTO DO(de-legitimization)
UNTIL(de-legitimization = "YES")

I don't understand what this sentence means.

It was a general comment - "that's they way they like to talk to fundies" because you said:

"I can see why you would feel compelled to de-legitimize it, as these principles are most certainly tools of the devil."

It's as though you thought I thought I had to perform an exorcism of this convicted murderer's "principles", MY BIBLE, MY CHOICE!

Marxist tools, not diabolical tools, though sometimes they go hand-in-hand.

I was speaking in generalities, why "think" was used instead of "said", did the word "neo-con" ever cross your mind, I wonder?

And to you, it's already eight o'clock here. It'll all be over soon. You're going to really like 2007.

 

1. Um, okay....
2. I don't see how you have arrived at this conclusion.

Very cute...
Actually, you have to prove that this celebration is actually racist before your IF statement will hold.

This is very clear - if you want to use contumely to make a point, you can direct it to me rather than someone else, especially when I am the topic of your discussion.

This is called sarcasm. Notice that I quoted directly from the article in question, highlighting what the celebration intends to represent.

How is this "Marxist?" This gives the impression that you judging an entire celebration based on the comments of Ron as though everyone who celebrates it is in total and complete agreement with him. Is that why you feel compelled to de-legitimize this celebration?

And don’t forget, the Dartmouth Review could hardly be considered to be objective.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~thepress/read.php?id=257

First it was "fundie," and now it is "neo-con." I am not sure why you keep introducing these unrelated terms into the discussion.
Let's look at what you wrote once again:

You are making an observation about me, using words and ideas that I never wrote.

I think you are right.
Hope you have the day off to spend quality time with your friends and family,
BiR

 

Here's the deal as I see it.

Black Americans largely do not know of their family roots, as their ancestors were traded & sold, children from parents, family's & social groups rendered apart. If they want to even invent a holiday to celebrate and create a common heritage, more power to them. I don't expect people to tell me what to celebrate, nor do I figure I have the right to tell others what they should celebrate. This is the American, and yes, universal human value known as freedom. It's truly a wonderful concept.

If Kwanzaa is divisive, so then are Christmas, Rosh Hoshanna, and even Groundhog Day.

 

So carpro, is anyone forcing you to celebrate Kwanzaa?

Or maybe you are part of a "War on Kwanzaa" by saying Merry Christmas and ignoring Kwanzaa?

And to another point, yes, Christmas could be seen as divisive, since not everyone believes Christ came to save the world.

 

Lots of Americans liked Kwanzaa a lot.
But the Grinch who lived up on Mt. Whitebread did not!
The Grinch hated Kwanzaa, the whole Kwanzaa season.
Now don't ask me why, I don't quite know the reason.

It might be that color for him wasn't right.
Or maybe it's just that his shorts were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
Was just that his brain was two sizes too small.

I don't celebrate a lot of holidays that other people do. But I sure don't spend any time obsessing about it. If you don't like it, leave it alone.

 

:laugh: Outstanding! :applause:

 

It's really not a joke....

http://christocentric.com/Kwanzaa/pagan.htm

 

Wow: a site dedicated to attacking Kwanzaa.
Interesting.....

Happy New Year, LadyEagle,
BiR

 

1. remember Clinton's old KISS slogan? Yeah, that one.
2. The conclusion that's it's racist? Everything about it is. Everything.

It's a made-up holiday by a convicted murderer that turned to Marxism and black seperatism after his release from jail. Kinda fits....

It was directed at the "founder" of this fradulent holiday, and you are NOT the topic of the discussion, unless you happen to be:

Sarcasm. Sarcasm. Sarcasm. S-A-R-C-A-S-M. Got it!

It's an implemention of the Marxist ideology to seperate and divide. What's not to love about it then?

They don't have to worry about that perception.

Clinton mode=ON.....because I can.

Good, because I can't prove that you will, but I know you will.

Lots of friends, no family, 'cept their families.

"Attacking" = disputing in liberal lala land.

Die, Kwanzaa, die!!!

 

Let it go, folks. It's not a Christian holiday, but neither is the Fourth of July.

Kwanzaa has some radical roots, but so does Labor Day. There are real problems in this country that need work, before we start telling other people how they should do their holidays.

 

No, don't let it go, folks. Kwanzaa's a fake holiday promoted under the guise of "multi-culturalism" unlike the Fourth Of July.

It is, however, the only "holiday" invented by a convicted murderer-turned-Marxist. Now that's unique!

Labor Day's a uniter, Kwanzaa's a divider. Labor Day's not May Day, and Kwanzaa's not Christmas.

Oh, no, not the "refocus" advice again, you only get this "It's not important in the scope of things" argument by someone wishing to have the final word on the issue. And the moral relativity....

Tell me, would you say the same thing to a KKK member that made up a holiday for white racists? A "National Hitler Day", then?

You could just let a convicted murderer tell people how" they should do their holidays", does that work better for you?

Die, Kwanzaa, die!

 

1. Here we go again: in addition to "fundie" and "neo-con," you have now introduced the former POTUS into the conversation. It sure would make things less cluttered if you would simply stick to the discussion at hand. Former President Clinton has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
2. That is your perception. Many people in the African-American community celebrate this holiday without any racism.

Again, there are many people in the African-American community who celebrate this holiday without any racism.

That is not true, and anyone who reads your post knows this. You were responding to a quote made by me directed at you that was reproduced by someone else on the board. It is right here in this discussion, in post number 21. Feel free to look for yourself - don't take my word for it.

Um, okay.

No, it is a celebration of several values in the African-American community.

How convenient for them......

Here we go again, what is your fixation on the former POTUS? I never discussed him, and I am not sure where he has any relevance to this discussion.

Oh, I hope you are right. I have been praying for someone at work, and have been taking every opportunity to witness to him. Lately, he has been asking me about my church (he lives close by). I am praying that my life and my attitude continue to shine before him, and that he will not only join us in church, but will bring his family. A year ago, he only had profane things to say about "organized religion" (his words). Now he is talking about meeting me at the early service!

That certainly sounds good. I trust that you had a great time. I was going to make the trek up today to the services for former President Ford, but decided it against it when I overslept this morning. Guess I will watch it on CNN....

Have you read the articles on this website? Did you go out to the root directory to see what was the subject of this website? My personal favorite was the article written by James H. Dearmore II:

http://www.christocentric.com/Kwanzaa/dearmore.htm

So, it wasn't just the white people! There were "Arab slave hunters/traders," with the "connivance" of the "black chiefs and/or tribes of West Africa, and largely but not exclusively hauled away by British ships." [emphasis mine] Now, what exactly is the purpose of this paragraph? How does this have ANYTHING to do with the origin of "American Blacks?" Why didn't Dearmore write it this way?

But Swahili has little relevance for American blacks. Nearly all of the slaves in slave trading days were taken from West Africa. Therefore, Swahili as an East African tongue, has absolutely no ancestral connection to most American blacks, nor to most other blacks anywhere in the world who descended from slaves.

The same point is made, so why was that other information, which has NOTHING to do with the point being made by Dearmore, added to the paragraph?

Um.... okay.

Regards,
BiR

 

Where did I ever write this, or make this point? My posts to this discussion are posts number 12, 19, 22, 24, 32, and 37. As you have made the assertion, please show us where I ever "purported" that "people who are clarifying what Kwanzaa is and what it isn't have a problem."

I don't mind if you want to discuss this (as a matter of fact, that is why I participated), but please afford me the courtesy of reading what I write, and not attributing quotes/thoughts/ideas that I have not written or offered.

I don't have a problem with the celebration......... which is the point I have made in many of my posts.

Then perhaps you can shed light on the answer to my question posed with my initial participation in this discussion:

Now, 777 has stated that the intent is to "de-legitimize it." Care to offer your thoughts?

Welcome to the party,
BiR