The Sword of the Lord is an APOSTATE Baptist Newspaper!

[PastorSBC1303]

I knew it was too good to be true

 

[bapmom]

WinDork,

the question about your job was merely to point out that as Baptists who believe in local church authority we can still be involved in things outside of our local church.

If we work a secular job then we are submitting to an authority outside of our local church. The same goes for if we are a member of our local YMCA, or if we let our kids be a part of Boy Scouts.

The SoTL doesn't claim to be a church. It also does not claim to have any authority over anyone at all. As a newspaper it is a reporting agency, it picks local church pastors and publishes some of their sermons, and it has an editorial where a man can share his opinion with others. Hey, sounds like the BB!

Its actually more like a business than a ministry anyway...right? You do pay for the subscription, right?

 

[MRCoon]

I guess I'm can post here and feel like I'm in the majority...because I like the SotL I don't get to be in the majority often

I'm not so concerned by their stand on KJVO...that's their opinion and if other's opinions meant that much then I wouldn't be able to post here with you NIV-ers & ASV-ers
Either way, whether you like a ministry or not I believe that claiming any such ministry is 'required' to be under the authority of the local church is in fact extra-biblical. John the Baptizer & Jesus were shunned by the "local church" and we find that the local church varied through-out the Bible...so what is our example besides the fact that Paul fellowshipped with other Believers?
The SotL doesn't claim any church authority, doesn't administer the Lord's Supper, doesn't perform any baptisms from their offices, doesn't assign pastoral leadership to Mr. Shelton...so on and so forth!!

PS. I am not KJVO...I'm Only KJV

 

[Bro. James]

What are the criteria for becoming an apostate Baptist newspaper?

Selah,

Bro. James

 

[mnw]

Windork, please accept my apology. You called SOTL a name and I did it back. My error.

Now, can we get a viable answer for why you think the SOTL is apostate?

 

[John of Japan]

Originally posted by TheWinDork:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AVL1984:
Regardless of what the "historic Baptist document" says, there is no scriptural proof that a Christian newspaper has to work under the auspices of a NT Local church. It is a Christian newspaper, nothing more, nothing less. So, the "facts" as you call them, are simply YOUR OPINION, and everyone is entitled to have one.

Though I'm not a fan of Shelton Smith or the Sword of the Lord, I think you're a little over the top here.

Concerning the two papers you've listed that are working under the auspices of a NT local church, they simply print the pastors opinion of what the Bible says. They could just as well work outside of the church. The papers in these churches aren't run by a board, but the Sword is. The papers you've referred us to are run wholly by the pastors and the churches they pastor.

Buzzzz! Wrong.

quoting from BOTH PAPERS...

Plains Baptist Challenger
Published Monthly by authority of the Tabernacle Baptist Church at 1911 34th Street Lubbock, Texas 79411

and the Baptist Pillar

The Baptist Pillar
Published by Bible Baptist CHURCH 1203 4th Street
Brandon, MB R7A3J7

My Point, they are NOT published by individuals, but rather LOCAL CHURCHES.

and let's take this to the Word, you think Paul went straight from Damascus to his missionary trips... wrong...:

And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he attempted to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem. (Acts 9:26-28 KJV)

The he went to Antioch...:

Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. (Acts 11:25-26 KJV)

Sorry gents, them be the facts.

-TheWinDork </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, WinDork, according to your post, then, the church at Antioch must have had control over Paul's ministry. I strongly disagree. This would violate the Baptist distinctive of the priesthood of the believer.

Furthermore, when Paul and Barnabas were sent out by the church at Antioch on their first missionary journey in Acts 13, the Greek word used there for "sent" in v. 3 is not the normal apostello or pempo, but apoluo, which is a very strong word which sometimes even means "divorce." A careful reading of Acts will reveal that the local church at Antioch exercised absolutely no control over the ministry of Paul and Barnabas while they were away from their home church serving God.

If I get this straight, you are saying that your definition for "apostate" is any ministry that is not under the umbrella of the local church. Is that your definition? Please give Scripture for this. In order to prove your point you must actually give Scripture saying that (1) all ministries must be under the authority of a local church, and (2) any ministry that is not is condemned by God.

I double-dog dare you to give such Scripture for your position! There isn't any!

The apostle Paul said about those who preached the Gospel trying to get him in trouble, "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice" (Phil 1:18). Whatever your differences with Shelton Smith, you should rejoice that he and the Sword are preaching the Gospel.

 

[tinytim]

What local church controls BB that windork posts on?

Isn't that just the same?

By him posting on BB, he is supporting a organization that is not under the authority of a local church..

Let's see... so that makes the BB "apostate" according to windork's logic.

Since he is a member of BB, does that make him an "apostate"?

 

[MRCoon]

Tim, it is only apostate if we have communion and/or baptisms....so please pass the wine...I mean the juice

Please note heavy use of sarcasm

 

[John of Japan]

Originally posted by tinytim:
What local church controls BB that windork posts on?

Isn't that just the same?

By him posting on BB, he is supporting a organization that is not under the authority of a local church..

Let's see... so that makes the BB "apostate" according to windork's logic.

Since he is a member of BB, does that make him an "apostate"?

Aha, tinytim. Good point. The answer should be interesting.

Windork, on a similar theme, do you use a Scofield Bible or any other Bible not printed by a local church printing ministry? Do you have any Christian books in your library not published by a local church ministry? If so, by your definition, you are supporting apostate ministries.

As I said the last time I ate sushi, "I'm waiting with baited breath for more!"

 

[MRCoon]

Originally posted by John of Japan:
As I said the last time I ate sushi, "I'm waiting with baited breath for more!"

WOW!!! JoJ, that ones bad even for Japanese humor

 

[Plain Old Bill]

I think WinDork is a very zealous young man who is on fire for the Lord. I also think his critisism is not well thought out.That would be because nobody has challenged his thinking in this regard.From the last two pages of responses I would say his thinking in regard to the SoTL has been properly challenged.

I am not saying that WinDork can't think for himself ,but a lot of the kind of thinking and rhetoric he was passing on to us is taught by none other than "the pastor".

 

[John of Japan]

Originally posted by MRCoon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by John of Japan:
As I said the last time I ate sushi, "I'm waiting with baited breath for more!"

WOW!!! JoJ, that ones bad even for Japanese humor

</font>[/QUOTE]So sorry. I repent in dustcloth and ashes, as once said a certain brilliant but occasionally scatterbrained lady who worked for decades at the SOTL.

 

[John of Japan]

Originally posted by Plain Old Bill:
I think WinDork is a very zealous young man who is on fire for the Lord. I also think his critisism is not well thought out.That would be because nobody has challenged his thinking in this regard.From the last two pages of responses I would say his thinking in regard to the SoTL has been properly challenged.

I am not saying that WinDork can't think for himself ,but a lot of the kind of thinking and rhetoric he was passing on to us is taught by none other than "the pastor".

You are probably right, Bill. I trust and hope that this thread will be helpful to him.

 

[TheWinDork]

Helpful?

just proves to me the apostasy IS in full swing... and no I do not retract my position on that apostate newspaper, nor will I ever!

TheWinDork

 

[mnw]

WinDork,

You got kind of edgy when people asked you personal questions and I had that typo. But by your reasoning we can call you anything we like and do whatever we want because the standard is whatever we set.

You call SOTL apostate but give no viable Scriptural evidence.

You're operating on a double standard and as such can not enter into any real debate.

The majority of posts have been quite gracious and all you can do is fire off senseless statements in return.

So, are we all apostates? Are you saying no one that posted here will be in Heaven?

 

[tinytim]

or anyone that just reads the SOTL?

Again I ask why are you posting, windork, on a message board that is not under the authority of a local church?

Your posts are being published to the world,
the same way Mr Smith's articles are published.
It just so happens that you are posting via the web, he is posting via print.

But neither you nor he are posting under the authority of a local church, so when you post, (by your own definition of apostate) you are in fact being an apostate...

I mean that in a sense to only show you that your definition will come back and bit you, if you are not careful.

 

[John of Japan]

So, Windork, now we are all apostates for defending the SOTL???

Can you answer tinytim's questions? They are very logical and well put. Tell us why you are not apostate for posting on the BB.

 

[JackRUS]

Windork.
I am sorry to inform you that your local church called, and since you have decided to publicly publish your views here outside to auspices of this said church, you are now an apostate as well.

 

[Lagardo]

Originally posted by TheWinDork:
I do not retract my position on that apostate newspaper, nor will I ever!

TheWinDork

Ever? wow....what if there are copies in heaven? I'm not suggesting there will be, I'm just curious as to any grounds that might cause you to change your mind.

 

[paidagogos]

Originally posted by TheWinDork:
Helpful?

just proves to me the apostasy IS in full swing... and no I do not retract my position on that apostate newspaper, nor will I ever!

TheWinDork

Even if you should be proven wrong?