The theology of hell

[Baptist Believer]

I meant Elijah, but accidentally put Elisha. Here is the verse I had in mind:

1 Kings 17:21-22 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Okay, that makes much more sense. I wasn't seeing what you were seeing with the reference to Elisha. Now I know why!

The body is not annihilated, it still exists (albeit in dust form)

I understand that body as a collection of atoms and particles assembled a certain way. Just like I don't consider a pile of rust flakes, oily residue, rubber fragments, and pieces of shattered backed sand that has been scattered about to be a Toyota Camry, although it may once have been one.

Once a body decomposes, it is dust and elements unless the Creator reassembles it and gives it life.

We must remember, one day all that are in the grave will hear God's voice and will rise. The dust will reassemble and those who were wicked will stand upon their feet and be judged by God almighty.

Yes, absolutely.

Annihilated implies complete cessation of existence. Scripture reveals annihilation cannot be.

Is there a specific scriptural reference you are thinking of which rules out the idea that God will not make something cease to exist (that "annihilation cannot be")?

Since God creates out of nothing (causes things to be that were not), I hesitate when someone says "annihilation cannot be."

We know the soul is very much conscious when we read the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man was aware of the torments he was in.

Yes, but for clarification, I don't think that story refers to the Lake of Fire. I understand that to be the interim state away from the grace of God before the final judgment of all humankind.

 

[Baptist Believer]

I guess these eyes were sitting in the eye sockets and were connected to the optic nerve which ran to the brain ect?

I think you're trying to overly-literalize the story instead of paying attention to the main point that the rich man was in agony and yet he was aware of Lazarus, as well as his identity (he had concerns for his family).

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Someone needs to show me where death is separation from God.

If eternal life is the gift from God then death is the opposite of that life.

There is physical life and there is eternal life. In between this stands death. When death comes to Adam first or second BTW he is dead unless God regenerates him. God can regenerate him to physical life again which we have stated cases of in the word of God of he can regenerate him to eternal life of which he have one case in the word of God and that is the second Adam, Jesus the Christ resurrected a quickening spirit. It is stated in John 5:21 that it is the Father that raises up the dead, and quickens. Also in John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
When did he give the son this life? Acts 13:30 But God raised him from the dead: 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Speaking of this same Jesus at this same point of time Hebrews 5:5 today he therefore on that day, verse 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
You say that he was already perfect, he was God.

The word of God says the Word was made flesh, that is flesh and blood which cannot inherit the kingdom of God. He had to be changed. The word says, for the purpose of death, death forever if God the Father does not give him life again. He was made to be sin for us. For a little over three days and three nights he was forsaken by God. By raising Jesus from the dead he made the second Adam a quickening spirit. Since his resurrection see the rest of John 5:21 even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. How does he do this. By the word of God promised to Abraham and his one seed Christ Gal.3
He puts the seed of God that he received from the father in us Acts 2:33 and Titus 3:5,6 by which we will be raised from the dead Rom. 8:11 in his risen from the dead image Rom. 8:29.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Try Revelation 14. It tells us that those put in the lake of fire will be tormented forever. Revelation later tells us that nothing that defiles will enter God's kingdom.

Stands to reason that they will be separated from God.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The above passage clearly shows an eternal state of torment for the wicked. "tormented with fire and brimstone" "smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever" " no rest day nor night"

I don't know how much clearer it could get.

In Luke, we read the account of the rich man and Lazarus. Many say it is a Parable. I do not believe it to be a parable. But, even if it were, a parable is a story that illustrates a spiritual truth. Why would Jesus say the rich man was in torments if he were not? What would He be trying to imply if He did not mean torments?

Also, Mark 9:43-49 tell us that hell is a place 'where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched.' The word for hell there is the word 'geenna.' It is not speaking of sheole, but rather another hell. I believe it is in reference to the lake of fire. Revelation seems to agree for it says that those cast into the lake of fire will be tormented for ever with no rest from their torment.

Yes, the Bible does teach the eternal torments of the wicked.

 

[percho]

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The above passage clearly shows an eternal state of torment for the wicked. "tormented with fire and brimstone" "smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever" " no rest day nor night"

I don't know how much clearer it could get.

In Luke, we read the account of the rich man and Lazarus. Many say it is a Parable. I do not believe it to be a parable. But, even if it were, a parable is a story that illustrates a spiritual truth. Why would Jesus say the rich man was in torments if he were not? What would He be trying to imply if He did not mean torments?

Also, Mark 9:43-49 tell us that hell is a place 'where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched.' The word for hell there is the word 'geenna.' It is not speaking of sheole, but rather another hell. I believe it is in reference to the lake of fire. Revelation seems to agree for it says that those cast into the lake of fire will be tormented for ever with no rest from their torment.

Yes, the Bible does teach the eternal torments of the wicked.

Eternal worms also.