The Triquestra - Holy or Unholy Trinity

I did say that strong words were used by all when I listed many of the accusations standingfirm made of those who dared to disagree with him.... check page 14 of this thread....

the only agenda I had was for standingfirm to own up to the very type of language and tone he used to dispense with others who disagreed with him, and admit to the fact that he was simply wrong about this whole issue... alas this is a losing battle it seems...

for now it seems you have followed suit... harshly judging others while complaining that others are harshly judging you or standingfirm.... what? is standingfirm (or you?) some kind of spiritual guru who hands down sentences and accusations to others that disagree with him (on something that should be a matter of individual conscience), that such persons are involved in pagan activities etc, and no one better dare defend themselves against these accusations? If he, or you, starts handing out accusations like these, then at least be prepared to have people object to being labeled occultists just because they may have a NKJV Bible with a certain symbol on it. And please, don't act so surprised when exactly this happens. We are not doormats.

blessings,
Ken

 

These things are fine and I would have no problem agreeing with them. Just be careful when you attribute things to other Christians and do not deal with the subject. Also, don't play the victim when others do the same as you have stated. I am glad that there are those who don't back down to the truth. I am saddened when there are those who cannot admit error even when it is clear to everyone.

Bro Tony

PS...please note this is a legitimate response to SFIC post, not an attack on his person. So we can dispense with the statements that anyone is trying to crucify another here.

 

My personal opinion:

I have no problem with anyone, be it SFiC or anyone eles useing harsh words as long as it applies to the argument and the ideas, practices presented.

But dont dish out harsh words and then when harsh words come back act like you are hurt and persecuted. If you are going to make an argument of a debate page, expect people to strongly disagree.

I count on the disagreement to keep me in line and get me thinking about the other side of the argument. That way I can examin what I believe and see if it stands up to examination. If it does I learn how to defend.

 

Amen, Brother standing!

I see nothing hypocritical about your posts.

 

yes indeed Jesus, Paul, Peter and John all used strong words... I don't personally have a problem with this fact per se, I am just a little tired of you and His Blood whining about strong words being used towards you.... or.... in other words, don't dish out what you can't take. Don't try and play the martyr when others are stern with you, when you feel perfectly fine about doing it yourself.


blessings,
Ken

 

the self righteous attitude you display is evident in this... when you stand for what you believe, you are the one who "won't back down", you are God's right hand, so to speak, a legend in your own minds... but when others refuse to back down from your bullying tactics, they are "deceived", or you doubt their relationship to God and the like.... you refuse to see the integrity in others because you refuse to entertain the possibility that you are wrong, or that persons can actually disagree with you and still being a good Christian. That is the problem, or, at least a big part of it.

blessings,
Ken

 

Deu 9:13-14 KJV1611 Edition:
Furthermore, the Lord spake vnto me, saying,
I haue seene this people, and behold,
it is a stifnecked people.
Deu 9:14 Let me alone, that I may destroy them,
and blot out their name from vnder heauen:
and I will make of thee a nation mightier
and greater then they.

from KJV1769 Edition with Strong's numbers:

stiffnecked 7186, 6203

H7186
קשׁה
qâsheh
kaw-sheh'
From H7185; severe (in various
applications): - churlish, cruel, grievous,
hard ([-hearted], thing), heavy, + impudent,
obstinate, prevailed, rough (-ly), sore,
sorrowful, stiff ([-necked]),
stubborn, + in trouble.

H6203
ערף
‛ôreph
o-ref'
From H6202; the nape or back of the neck
(as declining); hence the back generally
(whether literally or figuratively):
- back ([stiff-]) neck ([-ed]).

Note how two Hebrew words become one
English word (changing the word count).

 

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Here's an interesting definition:

Triquetra - Three-pointed symbol seen hanging from the cat's collar and on the Book of Shadows on the occult drama CHARMED/WB/1998+. The Triquetra or "Trinity Knot". was used in pre-Christian times by the Celts to represent the triple goddess (Maiden, Mother and Crone). Early Celtic Christians used the symbol to represent the trinity of God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. The Triquetra is also used as a feminine symbol of protection from evil, or as a representation of the triple Goddess. (the pedal-like protrusions representing the "yoni" or female vulva or womb). The circle represents eternity. The power of the Triquetra symbol is used by the Halliwell sister (Piper, Prue, and Phoebe)  three young women who discovered that they were witches known as "The Charmed Ones." The symbol is first called a Triquetra in episode "Witch Trial" (2.01) when Prue suggests the Triquetra represents the three of them working as one.

TRIVIA NOTE: The symbol of the Triquetra appeared on the cover of the Led Zepplin's fourth rock & roll album entitled Stairway to Heaven. The four images represented the musicians Page, Jones, Bonhan and Plant. The first and fourth design were created by Page and Plant while the second image (The Triquetra) are based on Celtic Runes. The Triquetra image stands for confidence and Bonham's images of three intersecting circles represents the trilogy: man, wife and child.

http://www.tvacres.com/art_symbols_triquetra.htm

 

The Celts did not come up with maiden, mother, and crone. That was invented in the 20th century. I wrote a post earlier on this. Many Wiccans will claim that it's ancient, but it simply isn't true.

This is from a Wiccan site that attempts to debunk the many misconceptions and misinformation about Wicca:

 

Question: Searching the Internet for Bible literature. I came across a web site claiming the emblem on some of the New King James Version Bibles are satanic. Can you comment?

Answer: The symbol on the NKJV is the triquetra, meaning "three-cornered" in Latin. To early Christians, it symbolized both the Trinity and fish ("pisces") -- in this case, three fishes. During the times of persecution, the fish symbol became especially important as a way for Christians to find and identify each other. Without saying a word, the Christian who displayed the little symbol sent a a wonderful greeting: "I am a fellow believer!"

However, like the cross and the lamb, this particular shape did not originate with Christianity. Earlier, it had been drawn and used by by pagans to represent the Wiccan female trinity and by Jewish mystics in their kabbalistic rituals. To the latter, it represented purity.

The problem with defining symbols is that meanings change. It's natural for people in any culture to draw a simple shape or design illustrating what they believe. The meaning of the symbol is established by those who embrace it. Symbols take on cultural significance when a large part of the population accept a common meaning. For example, when I wear a cross, I identify myself with Christ, my Lord. During the last 200 years in America, the cross generally identified Christians.

But that is changing. Pagans are increasingly using and reclaiming variations variations of the cross, because they carry historical significance within the earth-centered cultures they have chosen to embrace. That doesn't mean that Christians must relinquish the cross as a pagan symbol. However, it does challenge us to be alert, understanding that we can no longer assume that familiar symbols carry the old familiar message we have taken for granted.

Some symbols have always never been linked to Christian beliefs and are less confusing. The swastika which was a common Hindu symbol, became Hitler's logo. Today it generally identifies neo-nazi and white supremacy groups.



taken from an article called The Triquetra

 

I just bought a NKJV today and it does not have the symbol. I wonder if some publishers have decided to stay away from it due to controversey.

Too much can be read into the use of any symbol. The meanings of symbols change in their usage. They change over time as well as from one culture to another, so it is quite possible that the symbol has been equally used to represent many different things.

Consider the greek goddess Athena. When you see here standing in New York's harbor with here torch held high, do you think of all of her mythology, or do you think of Liberty, Freedom, and America? Same image, different meanings, eh?

Consider certain names and labels. The term Christian was origianlly a derogitory slur, "little Christ," but those early believers took it as a compliment and adopted the name themselves.

 

HBSMN

That artical sounds reasonable. What is your opinion on the subject?

 

I have had a NKJV for about 13 years. I checked it does not have the triqueta on it. I does have a rainbow on the cover though and hands touching fingers. WHat to make of that.

 

Lagardo,

Good post. I think you are correct that the publishers removed the symbol because of the possibility of offense. I believe it was the proper thing to do, as to not cause the weaker to stumble.

BTW----welcome to the BB.

Bro Tony

 

DeeJay, I am doing more research. One might be interested to look at another site I ran across that says 'The symbol has known to exist for well over 5500 years in indian carvings, Steppe art, and Aegean culture.'

That can be found here.
http://www.argusdesigns.com/products/History/triqueta.html

If it is found on art that is 5500 years old that certainly would shoot holes in the pagans stealing it from the christians, now would it not?

What do I think? I have to go with the word of God that says we are not to see the Godhead in art made by man.

Am I blasting the NKJV for saying this? No! I do think that the translators, or publishers, or whoever decided that symbol should have been put on the early NKJV's certainly should have checked into the background more thoroughly before the decision to use it.

 

the term 'christian' was not originally a derogatory remark, nor did it mean 'little christ.'

Acts 11:26 and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And it came about that for an entire year they met with the church, and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
NASB

The disciples were first called christians in Antioch.

The term Christian does not mean 'little Christ,' it means 'Christ-like.' To say it means 'little christ' would mean that they were looked on as a christ; they were not christ's and they did not ever claim to be, nor preach that one who followed Christ would be a christ.