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The Triquestra - Holy or Unholy Trinity
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menageriekeeper
Active Member
Soooo, has this discussion changed your mind, Webdog?
SFIC said:
The triquata, triqueta, triquesta, or whatever form of the word is used is sold as jewelry for the wiccans.
And big, gaudy gold and silver crosses are standard "bling" for rappers and other degenerate thugs. What's your point? That the pagans and other idiots of the world get to steal our symbolism? Tough. We're stealing it back.
The triquata, triqueta, triquesta, or whatever form of the word is used is sold as jewelry for the wiccans.
And big, gaudy gold and silver crosses are standard "bling" for rappers and other degenerate thugs. What's your point? That the pagans and other idiots of the world get to steal our symbolism? Tough. We're stealing it back.
Noticed you've now hidden that pagan symbol... Do you think you are fooling us? You've already been caught and we know that you are here to drag others into the occultic worship of the Tiger-god.
In fact, considering your extra-biblical dogma against all alcohol consumption... The Tiger-god religion must be one of the asceticism... Maybe that's it... Maybe you are monk in the Tiger-god religion.
Of course I am being silly and facetious... but no more so than you are.
standingfirminChrist
New Member
Scott,
I did not take the tiger off because it is pagan, I took it off because apparently it offends some. The tiger is not pagan.
Now, will you follow the Word of God and stop defending that which is pagan, the Triquestra?
I did not take the tiger off because it is pagan, I took it off because apparently it offends some. The tiger is not pagan.
Now, will you follow the Word of God and stop defending that which is pagan, the Triquestra?
standingfirminChrist
New Member
Ransom, yes, and for those rappers the cross is pagan, cuz they do not serve the Lord of the cross, nor do they know him.
standingfirminChrist
New Member
Your attacking me for standing for the things of God and against the things of satan tell me who you really serve.
The Tiger is every bit as pagan as this other thing. That's my whole point. You are being double minded.
I am not offended that you have a tiger... I am demonstrating the absurdity of your argument by using an equally absurd argument against you. I know you are not a pagan and weren't using the tiger as a pagan symbol. It symbolizes only what you intended when you put it on your photo.
The same is equally true for "whatever you guys have decided to call that shape". The NKJV folks said it represents the trinity to them. There is absolutely no contradictory evidence to that claim.... so that is PRECISELY what it means when it appears on the cover of a NKJV Bible. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Your continuing argument that it is an association with paganism is every bit as stupid as my facetious argument against your tiger.
standingfirminChrist
New Member
If the triquestra represents the Holy Trinity, why do the wiccans use it in their cult? why is it on tarot cards, why is it on Led Zeppelin's albums?
And, I might add, it was on the tarot cards years before it was put in the NKJV Bible.
Satan really got you guys blinded.
And, I might add, it was on the tarot cards years before it was put in the NKJV Bible.
Satan really got you guys blinded.
If the triquestra represents the Holy Trinity, why do the wiccans use it in their cult?
I don't give a care whether the "wiccans" say the triquetra represents maid, mother, and crone or rock, scissors, and paper or Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart. I don't let the pagans' foolishness bother me. They are inconsequential. So is your ridiculous hand-wringing over a stupid triangle.
why is it on tarot cards, why is it on Led Zeppelin's albums?
What am I, a mind reader? Maybe John Paul Jones thought it looked cool. One of Led Zeppelin's albums had the Hindenburg on it, too: maybe you think flying in balloons is pagan as well. Who cares?
I don't give a care whether the "wiccans" say the triquetra represents maid, mother, and crone or rock, scissors, and paper or Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart. I don't let the pagans' foolishness bother me. They are inconsequential. So is your ridiculous hand-wringing over a stupid triangle.
why is it on tarot cards, why is it on Led Zeppelin's albums?
What am I, a mind reader? Maybe John Paul Jones thought it looked cool. One of Led Zeppelin's albums had the Hindenburg on it, too: maybe you think flying in balloons is pagan as well. Who cares?
Marcia
Active Member
This is my area of ministry -- the belief in the triple Goddess is relatively recent. It's not an ancient belief. The religion of witchcraft started in the 20th century.
There is a generic witchcraft which is a word that, until the modern religion of Witchcraft came along, was used to refer to general occult practices (like casting spells, using magical potions, etc.).
The image of the Triple Goddess was developed by Robert Graves in his book , The White Goddess , which came out in 1948. This is one of the ideas used by Gerald Gardner, founder of the modern Wicca/Witchraft religion. So if this symbol existed before the late 1940's, then it could not have symbolized the maiden, mother, crone triple goddess.
There is no evidence for ancient goddess worship other than goddesses being worshipped as consorts of gods.
It is likely that Wiccans are claiming the Triquestra as a symbol for the Triple Goddess, but it is probably a recent development.
This Atlantic Monthly article delves into that and mentions some other sources on it.
http://jbburnett.com/resources/atlmo-goddesses/atl-mo-allen-goddesses.html
Ed Edwards
<img src=/Ed.gif>
//KJV Ezra 8:36 And they delivered the king's commissions
unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors on this side
the river: and they furthered the people, and the house of God.
//NKJ Ezra 8:36 And they delivered the king's orders
to the king's satraps and the governors in the region beyond
the River. So they gave support to the people and the house of God.
...
//In my 11 years of education (of which, I never failed a grade),
I never once heard the word 'satrap',
yet I learned the word 'lieutenant' before I even reached the 6th grade.
//I am also quite sure any 6th grader today would know what a lieutenant is
but would not be able to identify a satrap.//
Interesting, are you arguing that the nKJV is the better translation?
If one knows that 'lieutenant' means and doesn't know what
'satrap' means, then one can learn something from the nKJV.
If one sticks only to the KJV, one might get the wrong
understanding of the verse.
Here is my 1982 dictionary: THE RANDOM HOUSE COLLEGE DICTIONARY:
satrap - 1. a governor of a province
under the ancient Persian monarchy
2.
lieutenant - 1. Army or Air Force officer, O1 or O2
2. Navy officer, O4
3. a person who holds an office, civil
or military, in subordination to a superior for whom he acts.
Using the 'satrap' definition we see the Holy Bible, correctly
translated, defines 'satrap'.
Using the 'lieutenant' denifion we don't see the Holy Bible
defining the term.
'satrap' can only mean civil (non-military)
whereas 'lieutenant' doesn't define clearly
civil or military - again, 'satrap' is the clearer
and better translation.
Frequently words like 'and' must be interperted from the
context. 'Satrap' here helps us see the 'and' following
is cojoining two equal sets (both sets contain the same
members but have different titles): the 'satraps'
are the 'governors. By contrast 'lieutenant' seems to
imply two different sets: one military, one civil.
Again, 'satrap' is the clearer and better translation.
//In reading commentaries, I see the satrap was in rank
the same as the lieutenant.//
Is that like a Navy lieutenant or an Army lieutenant?
There is a 2 or 3 grade difference.
//From my studying, the Hebrew word there means satrap,
but satrap is not used in the english language,
at least not I have heard.//
Apparently then one needs to study to show one's self
approved unto God. I've heard of 'satrap' before, probably
from reading about it in the nKJV (I wore out two nKJVs).
It is in my 1982 English Language Dictionary.
Isn't it strange how an errant dictionary can help one
understand the inerrant Written Word of God, the Holy Bible,
as found in the New King James Version (nKJV)?
unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors on this side
the river: and they furthered the people, and the house of God.
//NKJ Ezra 8:36 And they delivered the king's orders
to the king's satraps and the governors in the region beyond
the River. So they gave support to the people and the house of God.
...
//In my 11 years of education (of which, I never failed a grade),
I never once heard the word 'satrap',
yet I learned the word 'lieutenant' before I even reached the 6th grade.
//I am also quite sure any 6th grader today would know what a lieutenant is
but would not be able to identify a satrap.//
Interesting, are you arguing that the nKJV is the better translation?
If one knows that 'lieutenant' means and doesn't know what
'satrap' means, then one can learn something from the nKJV.
If one sticks only to the KJV, one might get the wrong
understanding of the verse.
Here is my 1982 dictionary: THE RANDOM HOUSE COLLEGE DICTIONARY:
satrap - 1. a governor of a province
under the ancient Persian monarchy
2.
lieutenant - 1. Army or Air Force officer, O1 or O2
2. Navy officer, O4
3. a person who holds an office, civil
or military, in subordination to a superior for whom he acts.
Using the 'satrap' definition we see the Holy Bible, correctly
translated, defines 'satrap'.
Using the 'lieutenant' denifion we don't see the Holy Bible
defining the term.
'satrap' can only mean civil (non-military)
whereas 'lieutenant' doesn't define clearly
civil or military - again, 'satrap' is the clearer
and better translation.
Frequently words like 'and' must be interperted from the
context. 'Satrap' here helps us see the 'and' following
is cojoining two equal sets (both sets contain the same
members but have different titles): the 'satraps'
are the 'governors. By contrast 'lieutenant' seems to
imply two different sets: one military, one civil.
Again, 'satrap' is the clearer and better translation.
//In reading commentaries, I see the satrap was in rank
the same as the lieutenant.//
Is that like a Navy lieutenant or an Army lieutenant?
There is a 2 or 3 grade difference.
//From my studying, the Hebrew word there means satrap,
but satrap is not used in the english language,
at least not I have heard.//
Apparently then one needs to study to show one's self
approved unto God. I've heard of 'satrap' before, probably
from reading about it in the nKJV (I wore out two nKJVs).
It is in my 1982 English Language Dictionary.
Isn't it strange how an errant dictionary can help one
understand the inerrant Written Word of God, the Holy Bible,
as found in the New King James Version (nKJV)?
Ed Edwards
<img src=/Ed.gif>
//I did not take the tiger off because it is pagan,
I took it off because apparently it offends some. The tiger is not pagan.//
Likewise, the publishers of the nKJV did not take the Triquestra
off the nKJV because it is pagan; they took it off because
apparently it offends some. The Triquestra is not pagan.
Anyway, the Triquestra never was a part of the nKJV translation
(which consists only of words, letters, and numbers - no pix)
I took it off because apparently it offends some. The tiger is not pagan.//
Likewise, the publishers of the nKJV did not take the Triquestra
off the nKJV because it is pagan; they took it off because
apparently it offends some. The Triquestra is not pagan.
Anyway, the Triquestra never was a part of the nKJV translation
(which consists only of words, letters, and numbers - no pix)
Ed Edwards
<img src=/Ed.gif>
Webdog: //I find this discussion coincidental. I am opening an LLC
with the name Trinity Properties LLC, and I am going
to have the triqueta as the logo shadowed behind the name.
You know where I got the picture from? An old NKJV.//
Congradulations on your new ministry - I pray God will
prosper your new venture.
Ransom: //And big, gaudy gold and silver crosses are
standard "bling" for rappers and other degenerate
thugs. What's your point? That the pagans and other
idiots of the world get to steal our symbolism?
Tough. We're stealing it back.//
Amen, Brother Ransom - Preach it!
with the name Trinity Properties LLC, and I am going
to have the triqueta as the logo shadowed behind the name.
You know where I got the picture from? An old NKJV.//
Congradulations on your new ministry - I pray God will
prosper your new venture.
Ransom: //And big, gaudy gold and silver crosses are
standard "bling" for rappers and other degenerate
thugs. What's your point? That the pagans and other
idiots of the world get to steal our symbolism?
Tough. We're stealing it back.//
Amen, Brother Ransom - Preach it!
Ed Edwards
<img src=/Ed.gif>
Bro Tony: //The translators
of the NKJV put the symbol on the front of the Bible
to give us a visual picture of the Trinity,
that three in one and it is seen in that symbol.
That is what I see when I see the symbol,
I do not see the occult.//
That is what I see, the Blessed Trinity.
BTW, the translators did not put the Triquesta
on the cover page. The publisher put the
Triquesta on the cover page of the nKJV.
The Triquesta on the cover page has nothing
to do with the nKJV translation. I find it almost
an act of terrorism to dis the nKJV translation
because of the Triquesta put on the cover page
by the publisher. Recall uptopic (page 4) I told
how the nKJV came to be and it took ten years for
some Bible Basher to figure out the attack against
a symbol on the Cover.
People forget that the reprint KJV1611 Edition Bible
I have has a wood cut printing of THE SUN GOD :-(
of the NKJV put the symbol on the front of the Bible
to give us a visual picture of the Trinity,
that three in one and it is seen in that symbol.
That is what I see when I see the symbol,
I do not see the occult.//
That is what I see, the Blessed Trinity.
BTW, the translators did not put the Triquesta
on the cover page. The publisher put the
Triquesta on the cover page of the nKJV.
The Triquesta on the cover page has nothing
to do with the nKJV translation. I find it almost
an act of terrorism to dis the nKJV translation
because of the Triquesta put on the cover page
by the publisher. Recall uptopic (page 4) I told
how the nKJV came to be and it took ten years for
some Bible Basher to figure out the attack against
a symbol on the Cover.
People forget that the reprint KJV1611 Edition Bible
I have has a wood cut printing of THE SUN GOD :-(
Ed Edwards
<img src=/Ed.gif>
//2 Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us:
for we are not ignorant of his devices.//
//How can someone who claims to be of Christ carry around
or wear a symbol that is used of satan? //
How can someone of Christ just give up to Satan and let
Satan steal our symbol? I peaked in the back of the
inerrant Written Word of God, the Holy Bible in the nKJV
and found out: God wins in Christ & we win with Christ!!!
for we are not ignorant of his devices.//
//How can someone who claims to be of Christ carry around
or wear a symbol that is used of satan? //
How can someone of Christ just give up to Satan and let
Satan steal our symbol? I peaked in the back of the
inerrant Written Word of God, the Holy Bible in the nKJV
and found out: God wins in Christ & we win with Christ!!!