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The Triune God

What is God?

  • Three gods

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th1bill

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The Bible is the Living Word of God. On a personal level, how does one deal with and explain that? It is really, quite simple. Each successive time that I have read through the scriptures and prayed for God to teach e what He would have for me to learn, I have received new revelations of the workings, the nature of God and what He wants from His creation. Although I have been reading through and studying the Holy Scriptures for the past nineteen years, it is still the most exciting book I have ever read... each time I read it.


Recently, I have been attacked for teaching of the Triune nature of God, the three persons being God, the Father, God, the Son and God, the Holy Spirit. These are the three "persons” of the One God Head. I will not lie to anyone and pretend to be able to explain all the intricate inner workings of the One God, manifested in three persons, it's not a requirement. What is required is exactly what I have done with the teaching of scripture. I have not just believed it to be the truth, I base a great part of my very existence on the "fact” that it is truth that I will understand better on the other side of this lie.
For me, it is the absolute truth!


How can I arrive at such a conclusion?

Plural Godhead...Gen.1:26 & 3:22

Threefold benediction...Num. 6:24-26

Father and Son (Old Testament)...Pro. 30:2-4

Holy, holy, holy is the Lord...Isa. 6:3

God and the Holy Spirit...Isa. 48:16

Trinity in one verse...Matt. 28:19

Oneness of Jesus and God...John 12:44-45 & 15:26-27

The Christ's Trinitarian teaching...John 14:24-31 & 15:26-27

Trinitarian benediction... 2Cor. 13:14

The Christ, God and the Holy Spirit...Eph. 2:22

Fullness of Deity...Col. 2:9-10

Spiritual function of the Father and the Son...2Thes. 3:5

Three, who bear record...1John 5:6-8

(copied from the book, "Where To Find It In The Bible."


This is by no means an all inclusive study of the subject but it is enough to see the truth!
 

freeatlast

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Bill our God is not discribable and while I hold to the trinity, at least in word, I am not sure that I totally understand it. In fact I know I don't. In your poll I really did not see a discription that I felt worked for me even in my lack of understanding, but I chose the (one) link. Jesus said . If you have seen Me you have seen the Father.
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 
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Baptist Believer

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God is not a "what" but a "Who."

God is not an abstract, impersonal force like something in a Star Wars movie.

God is personal - the primary, initiating Persons in all of reality.

In some way, there is one God who exists in three distinct Persons, yet completely unified in both nature and purpose.

Of course that's not the way I was raised. In my uninformed Southeast Texas SBC Sunday School classes in the early 1970s, there was "God" (the Father), Jesus (the sacrifice, but not much else, that would be too Catholic), and the Holy Ghost (who wasn't really considered a Person as much as some sort of mysterious force that we weren't supposed to think about because we might turn charismatic).
 

freeatlast

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God is not a "what" but a "Who."

God is not an abstract, impersonal force like something in a Star Wars movie.

God is personal - the primary, initiating Persons in all of reality.

In some way, there is one God who exists in three distinct Persons, yet completely unified in both nature and purpose.

Of course that's not the way I was raised. In my uninformed Southeast Texas SBC Sunday School classes in the early 1970s, there was "God" (the Father), Jesus (the sacrifice, but not much else, that would be too Catholic), and the Holy Ghost (who wasn't really considered a Person as much as some sort of mysterious force that we weren't supposed to think about because we might turn charismatic).

Help me out here. You used the word "distinct" Here is the definition I got;
dis·tinct

[dih-stingkt]


–adjective 1. distinguished as not being the same; not identical; separate (sometimes fol. by from ): His private and public lives are distinct.

2. different in nature or quality; dissimilar (sometimes fol. by from ): Gold is distinct from iron.

How are you using the word distinct? I ask that because if one follows the dictionary definition then there are three Gods being called One.



 

walkbyfaith

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Three forms of the same being.

It was explained to me like this. Take a glass of ice water......the water is water of course. The ice is water in another form. The condensation on the glass is water in yet another form.

Also, if you boil water, the steam is still another form of water. Yet its all still water.

This really helped me understand the Triune.

I've also heard it compared to an egg. An egg is an egg, scramble it and its still an egg, boil it and its still an egg. They are still the same thing, just in different forms.
 

Baptist Believer

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Help me out here. You used the word "distinct" Here is the definition I got:

distinguished as not being the same; not identical; separate (sometimes fol. by from ): His private and public lives are distinct.
Not the meaning at all. There's an implied "from" in this definition.

different in nature or quality; dissimilar (sometimes fol. by from ): Gold is distinct from iron.
This is more along the lines of what I mean, although the dictionary definition stresses a difference in nature.

How are you using the word distinct? I ask that because if one follows the dictionary definition then there are three Gods being called One.
The meaning I am trying to impart is that the Father is distinct from the Son, the Son is distinct from the Spirit, the Spirit is distinct from the Father.
 
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1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. How did most of you get that vote wrong? Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Can't change my mind.
 
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Martin Marprelate

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Three forms of the same being.

It was explained to me like this. Take a glass of ice water......the water is water of course. The ice is water in another form. The condensation on the glass is water in yet another form.

Also, if you boil water, the steam is still another form of water. Yet its all still water.

This really helped me understand the Triune.

I've also heard it compared to an egg. An egg is an egg, scramble it and its still an egg, boil it and its still an egg. They are still the same thing, just in different forms.

Oops! Sorry, but that is not Trinitarianism, but is actually the ancient error of Sabelianism or Modalism as upheld by 'Oneness Pentacostals' in the USA today.

The only easy but correct way I know of summarizing the Trinity is 'One What, Three Whos.'

This is something I wrote to help Christian inmates at Exeter Prison who were being fed stuff on the unity of God by the Moslem Chaplain:-

Who is Jesus?
Who is Jesus? There can be no more important question for men and women to answer. The Scriptures tell us, ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved’ (Acts 16:31), but how shall we believe on Him if we don’t know who He is? Many people think that they know. To some He is a great teacher; to others, He is a prophet; still others declare Him to be an angel, but to Christians down the centuries, He is both man and Almighty God, and this is the testimony of the holy Scriptures which testify to Him.

There are several Scriptures that plainly state Him to have been God:-

John 1:1-2. ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.'

John 14:9. ‘Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father.’
John 20:28. Thomas said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”’
Romans 9:5. ‘…..And from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, for ever praised.’

Titus 2:13. ‘While we wait for the blessed hope- the glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ.’

Hebrews 1:7. ‘But about the Son, He says, “Your throne, O God, will last forever.”’

2Peter 1:1. ‘Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, have received a faith as precious as ours.’

But how can God also be a man? It seems impossible, but the Scriptures explain it to us:-

Philippians 2:5-8. ‘Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped [ie. ‘held on to’], but made Himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death- even the death of the cross.’

So when The Lord Jesus came to earth, He was God, but He became a Man for our sakes.
Galatians 4:4. ‘For when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under law, that we might receive full rights of sons.’
2Corinthians 8:9. ‘For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet He became poor, so that you, through His poverty, might become rich.’ He did not cease to be truly God, but He became truly Man as well. One episode in His life on earth explains this well.

Matthew 8:23-25. ‘Then He got into the boat and His disciples followed Him. Without warning, a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. The disciples went and woke Him, saying, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!” Here we see the humanity of our Lord. He was tired, worn out and needed to sleep. Elsewhere we read of Him being hungry, thirsty and moved to tears. He was a man; man as if He were not God. But there is more:-

Matthew 8:26-27. ‘He replied, “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm. The men were completely amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey Him!”’ Well might they ask, for who can control the weather with a word except God Himself? Jesus is God; God as if He were not Man.

When we come to compare the Old and New Testaments in the Bible, we often find that the same attributes ascribed to God in the O.T are ascribed to Jesus in the NT. Here are some examples:-

O.T. Reference. Genesis 1:1. ‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.’
N.T. Reference. John 1:1,3. ‘In the beginning was the Word……..All things were made by Him.’

O.T. Reference. Malachi 3:6. ‘I the LORD do not change.’
N.T. Reference. Hebrews 13:8. ‘Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.’

O.T. Reference. Isaiah 44:6. ‘I am the first and I am the last; apart from Me there is no God.’
N.T. Reference. Revelation 1:17-18. ‘I am the first and the last. I am the living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!’

O.T. Reference. Proverbs 16:4. ‘The LORD has made all things for Himself.’
N.T. Reference. Colossians 1:16. ‘All things were created by Him and for Him.’

O.T. Reference. Psalm 130:7,8. ‘ Israel, put your hope in the LORD……He Himself will redeem Israel from all their sins.’
N.T. Reference. Titus 2:13-14. ‘Our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness.’

O.T. Reference. Isaiah 40:10. ‘See, the Sovereign LORD comes with power, and His arm rules for Him. See, is reward is with Him.’ Psalm 62:12. ‘Surely you will reward each person according to what he has done.’
N.T. Reference. Revelation 22:12. ‘Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.’

O.T. Reference. Psalm 39:7. ‘But now, Lord…..my hope is in You.’
N.T. Reference. 1Timothy 1:1. ‘Jesus Christ our hope.’ Colossians 1:27. ‘Christ in you, the hope of glory.’

There are literally dozens of other examples that might be given.

The Scriptures also teach that the Holy Spirit is God. The Lord Jesus said to His disciples (John 14:16-17), “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you for ever- the Spirit of truth……..The Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name , will teach you all things.’

That the Spirit is truly God may be seen from the following text. Acts 5:3,4. ‘Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit……….? You have not lied to men but to God.’

That the Spirit is a Person is clearly shown throughout the Scriptures. He creates and gives life (Job 33:4 ); He strives with the ungodly (Genesis 6:3 ); He commands and forbids (Acts 8:29; 11:12; 13:2; 16:6-7 ); He appoints ministers in the Church (Acts 20:28 ); He ‘speaks expressly’ of things to come (1Timothy 4:1 ); He testifies along with personal witnesses (John 15:26-7 ); He approves with others (Acts 15:28 ); He may be grieved (Eph 4:30 ) and vexed (Isaiah 63:10 ).

Finally, the comparison of Scripture with Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is indeed God:-

Testimony to the Spirit. 2Samuel 23:2. 'The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me; and his word was on my tongue.’
Testimony to God. 2Samuel 23:3. ‘The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spoke to me.’

Testimony to the Spirit. Acts 28:25. ‘The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your forefathers when He said through Isaiah the prophet.’
Testimony to God. Luke 1:68, 70. ‘The LORD god of Israel……..said through His holy prophets of long ago.’

Testimony to the Spirit. Acts 5:9. ‘How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord?
Testimony to God. Deut 6:16. ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’

Testimony to the Spirit. Romans 15:18, 19. 'What Christ has accomplished through me……by the power of signs and miracles, through the power of the Spirit.’
Testimony to God. Psalm 136:1, 2, 4. ‘The LORD…..the God of Gods……the Lord of Lords……..who alone does great wonders.’

Yet the Bible is very clear that there are not three gods, but one God existing in three Persons. Deuteronomy 6:4. 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one!' 1Corinthians 8:6. 'Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came, and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.' Isaiah 6:3. 'Holy, Holy, Holy is the LORD Almighty.' God is thrice holy; the Father is holy, the Son is holy and the Spirit is holy, yet there is only one LORD Almighty.

These are deep waters, but perhaps the best way to understand is to look at Matthew 28:19. 'Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.' There is but one name, one Being; there is only one God. But He exists in three distinct Persons, each one being truly God. If we cannot understand this fully, there is no reason why we should be able to. Let us accept the clear testimony of Scripture that it is so.

So we return to our very first text: ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.’ If you believe that Jesus of Nazareth is indeed the Lord God Almighty, as the Scriptures teach, and that He is the Christ, the Messiah, the one of whom the Old Testament speaks; that He died to pay for your sins and that He rose again from the dead; if you will turn from those sins and follow Christ, then they will be forgiven, you will experience the power of the Holy Spirit in your life, enabling you to live a life that is pleasing to God and you can know of a certainty that you will live forever with Him.

Check out The Forgotten Trinity by James White

Steve
 

walkbyfaith

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Oops! Sorry, but that is not Trinitarianism, but is actually the ancient error of Sabelianism or Modalism as upheld by 'Oneness Pentacostals' in the USA today.

Seems there is an 'ism' for everything.

I dont know what those 'isms' you refer to are. But, since your views are upheld by USA Today......hey it must be right!
 

kyredneck

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Three forms of the same being.

It was explained to me like this. Take a glass of ice water......the water is water of course. The ice is water in another form. The condensation on the glass is water in yet another form.

Also, if you boil water, the steam is still another form of water. Yet its all still water.

This really helped me understand the Triune.

I've also heard it compared to an egg. An egg is an egg, scramble it and its still an egg, boil it and its still an egg. They are still the same thing, just in different forms.

Heheh, I thought I had it figgered out along those lines also, but was promptly informed that I was well nigh a hear tick.....

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1614725#post1614725
 

Amy.G

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Would I be a hairy tic if I said the Trinity is like us? Body, mind and spirit? We are created in His image aren't we?(

I have a body, mind (no smart alec comments please), and spirit, yet I am one person.
 

preacher4truth

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Would I be a hairy tic if I said the Trinity is like us? Body, mind and spirit? We are created in His image aren't we?(

I have a body, mind (no smart alec comments please), and spirit, yet I am one person.

walkbyfaith is a newer believer. There was no need for steve or martin marprelate to attack and label him like this, you know, for someone more "mature" in the faith to do this.

Amy, we can explain it however we like, as you and he have done. Of course, this is typically attacked and someone will come along and put a label on you if you do so.

Anyhow, blessings.
 
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Amy.G

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walkbyfaith is a newer believer. There was no need for steve or martin marprelate to attack and label him like this, you know, for someone more "mature" in the faith to do this.

Amy, we can explain it however we like, as you and he have done. Of course, this is typically attacked and someone will come along and put a label on you if you do so.

Anyhow, blessings.

Well, label away. I've been called a hairy tic before, among other things.

Walkbyfaith, welcome to God's family. It's full of nuts just like any family tree. Stick to God's word and you'll grow like a weed! :flower:
 

Aaron

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Would I be a hairy tic if I said the Trinity is like us? Body, mind and spirit? We are created in His image aren't we?(

I have a body, mind (no smart alec comments please), and spirit, yet I am one person.
The best earthly aid in perceiving the trinity is marriage. One flesh, two distinct persons. (Three, if you count Christ.) And actually, it isn't the individual that is created in God's image, but the male AND the female, standing in their primary relationship.
 
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Martin Marprelate

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walkbyfaith is a newer believer. There was no need for steve or martin marprelate to attack and label him like this, you know, for someone more "mature" in the faith to do this.
If you will read my post you will see that I never used the term 'Heretic.' It is my policy never to use the H word on forums like this. I called the view that Walkbyfaith expressed an 'error,' because that is what it is. If that word is not allowable, please tell me what word I should use, or is it better simply to leave people in their errors?

When I was a new Christian, I was helped tremendously by folk correcting my errors and wrong understanding on forums like this.

FWIW, James White says that Modalism is the default position of most Christians today.

Steve
 
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preacher4truth

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If you will read my post you will see that I never used the term 'Heretic.' It is my policy never to use the H word on forums like this. I called the view that Walkbyfaith expressed an 'error,' because that is what it is. If that word is not allowable, please tell me what word I should use, or is it better simply to leave people in their errors?

When I was a new Christian, I was helped tremendously by folk correcting my errors and wrong understanding on forums like this.

Steve

Who said you called him a heretic? No need to bring in a false argument.

You're above rebuke, right? You need to lighten up and realize how you came across, and maybe think that not everyone needs to be labelled? :thumbsup:

You helped no one on this one. :)
 

freeatlast

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Not the meaning at all. There's an implied "from" in this definition.


This is more along the lines of what I mean, although the dictionary definition stresses a difference in nature.


The meaning I am trying to impart is that the Father is distinct from the Son, the Son is distinct from the Spirit, the Spirit is distinct from the Father.

If they are distinct then why is the Lord called the Spirit?
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
 
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freeatlast

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The best earthly aid in perceiving the trinity is marriage. One flesh, two distinct persons. (Three, if you count Christ.) And actually, it isn't the individual that is created in God's image, but the male AND the female, standing in their primary relationship.

I fail to see how marriage helps in understanding the trinity. Marriage is of two separate beings. They never end up with the exact same beliefs, desires, or outcome. They are called one in scripture but that is because of their joining. God has always been one and never joined. He has always been in agreement because he never changes or is divided.
While I accept that the father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, I see no correlation between marriage and the Trinity.
 

preacher4truth

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I fail to see how marriage helps in understanding the trinity. Marriage is of two separate beings. They never end up with the exact same beliefs, desires, or outcome. They are called one in scripture but that is because of their joining. God has always been one and never joined. He has always been in agreement because he never changes or is divided.
While I accept that the father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, I see no correlation between marriage and the Trinity.

"...and they (two) shall be one flesh."?
 
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