The True Patriot

[poncho]

You sure think a lot of yourself, don't you? I know we are sure happy to have someone of your superior intelligence here to straighten us all out. :laugh:

Do you spend much time vacationing at Area 51? :laugh:

Oh here we go again. I wish this board had audio so I could say in my most whinniest and mockin voice..."Poncho thinks he's sooooo much smarter than me...whaa". "He thinks he knows it all...whaa". "He's always talking like I don't know anything...whaa".

Here I sit probably the least educated of the whole bunch of you yet when I try explain something as simple and basic as the political spectrum y'all act like you've been gutshot and start with the subterfuge and demonization.

What's that say about you? Well, obiviously it says you can't even bring one decent counterpoint to the debate table with you. It say's you can't begin to comprehend something as basic and simple as the political spectrum and collectivism.

It says you proved my point. Collectivists cannot be true (american) patriots because they cannot comprehend individualism which is the ideology the first true American patriots used to found this nation.

And what did those first true American patriots do? They stood up to tyranny.

You trust the state. You trust the state with ever more power, money, and control, you trust it to protect you, to educate your children, to take care of you, to help you, to enforce your will on the minority for the greater good of the whole, you trust the state will never turn on you.

True American patriots don't.

Now you can do one of three things, dragonfly.

You can come back with a counter point and defend your postion honestly.

You can try and mock me some more.

Or you can ignore me. Your move.

 

[dragonfly]

Oh here we go again. I wish this board had audio so I could say in my most whinniest and mockin voice..."Poncho thinks he's sooooo much smarter than me...whaa". "He thinks he knows it all...whaa". "He's always talking like I don't know anything...whaa".

Here I sit probably the least educated of the whole bunch of you yet when I try explain something as simple and basic as the political spectrum y'all act like you've been gutshot and start with the subterfuge and demonization.

What's that say about you? Well, obiviously it says you can't even bring one decent counterpoint to the debate table with you. It say's you can't begin to comprehend something as basic and simple as the political spectrum and collectivism.

It says you proved my point. Collectivists cannot be true (american) patriots because they cannot comprehend individualism which is the ideology the first true American patriots used to found this nation.

And what did those first true American patriots do? They stood up to tyranny.

You trust the state. You trust the state with ever more power, money, and control, you trust it to protect you, to educate your children, to take care of you, to help you, to enforce your will on the minority for the greater good of the whole, you trust the state will never turn on you.

True American patriots don't.

Now you can do one of three things, dragonfly.

You can come back with a counter point and defend your postion honestly.

You can try and mock me some more.

Or you can ignore me. Your move.

Why would any sane person waste their time debating you. It's all part of a grand conspiracy, right? :laugh:

 

[poncho]

Why would any sane person waste their time debating you. It's all part of a grand conspiracy, right? :laugh:

Guess that depends on you're definition of "sane" doesn't it?

Doesn't seem sane to me to put all your trust in the state when history shows the state always ends up oppresing it's people but being sane and well informed you knew all that already. Right? And you still trust the state?

I dunno. Doesn't seem sane to me.

 

[dragonfly]

Guess that depends on you're definition of "sane" doesn't it?

Doesn't seem sane to me to put all your trust in the state when history shows the state always ends up oppresing it's people but being sane and well informed you knew all that already. Right?

Alright! I agree that we will always have trouble in this world no matter who is in charge, until Jesus comes back! :jesus:

 

[poncho]

Alright! I agree that we will always have trouble in this world no matter who is in charge, until Jesus comes back! :jesus:

Well, that's a given but it's not the point. The point is states historically turn on their citizens. And this state is well on it's way because of the corruption and tyranny inherent in all states has matured and consolidated for over two hundred years.

And you want to be a true American patriot. Right?

What do true American patriots do again? They stand up to tyranny. So I guess it's kind of a you're either with us or you're with the tyrants deal. I know...crazy ain' it?

So what are you doing with your time till Jesus comes back dragonfly?

Me? I'm going to keep trying to convince everybody to become true American patriots. There's a lot of tyrants great and petty out there who need to be stood up to and far to few true patriots to stand up to them.

It's not to late to join the R3VOLUTION ya know. Collectivists are welcome to join but individualism and limited constitutional government is the language spoken here.

 

[dragonfly]

So what are you doing with your time till Jesus comes back dragonfly?

Well, I'm working 50+ hours a week in a machine shop, trying to get involved in a good church, trying to spend some time with my wife, and agruing with you on the BB, among other things.

 

[poncho]

Well, I'm working 50+ hours a week in a machine shop, trying to get involved in a good church, trying to spend some time with my wife, and agruing with you on the BB, among other things.

Man, that's great news!! You still got alot of time left to stand up to tyranny by handing out Ron Paul slim jims and make other individuals aware of constitutionally limited government. The best tool ever invented to keep tyranny in check!

Awesome!!!:thumbs:

 

[carpro]

A 7 minute video on a progressive view of patriotism.

www.truepat.org/video.php

Well done videao and probably a good book to read if one is looking for comic relief.:thumbs:

 

[carpro]

Quote:
Originally Posted by KenH
Why can they not be patriots?

Because you cannot be a patriot and a traitor at the same time to one nation.

True.

Socialism and freedom are imcompatible.

Individual freedoms have to be forsaken to truly embrace socialism.

 

[Revmitchell]

Patriotism doesn't belong to one political party. However, the Democratic Party has been highjacked by those who are incapable of being patriotic. It is a party that is anti-American and ungodly. It has been destroyed by comminism and an entitlement mindset.

 

[poncho]

Patriotism doesn't belong to one political party. However, the Democratic Party has been highjacked by those who are incapable of being patriotic. It is a party that is anti-American and ungodly. It has been destroyed by comminism and an entitlement mindset.

Still looks more like corporatism to me. You know what really caused all these problems in the USA?

Lazy patriots making excuses for tyranny and voting for the lesser of two tyrants who'll lead them to safety from the other evil tyrants.

Least...that's the way I see it.