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The Truth About Britain

JonC

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ThatBrian is an expert on a lot of subjects. First he went on a ramage against Arminians. Then it was Seventh Day Adventists. I guess it's his turn to take a run at the British.


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To be fair, Armenia and Britian are practically neighbors.
 

thatbrian

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Fuelled by your own paranoia. Fix your own roof (American Nazis) and we can talk about whether there are any leaks in mine.

Have I said that you were more of a threat to civilization than a Nazi? No, but you said that I was more of a problem then what is destroying your country.

Nazis are not a threat to my country. Muslims are a threat to the entire world.
 

thatbrian

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Fuelled by your own paranoia. Fix your own roof (American Nazis) and we can talk about whether there are any leaks in mine.

You said that I, an Evangelical Christian, am more dangerous than Islam is. How twisted are you?
 

Matt Black

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I said your opinions are more part of the problem than they are part of the solution; I did not say that they are more dangerous than radical Islam. This is now not the first time you have been inaccurate about your facts, and it casts further doubt on your credibility. I also don't appreciate having statements misattributed to me and trust that this is the last time I have to make this rather obvious point to you.
 

thatbrian

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I said your opinions are more part of the problem than they are part of the solution; I did not say that they are more dangerous than radical Islam. This is now not the first time you have been inaccurate about your facts, and it casts further doubt on your credibility. I also don't appreciate having statements misattributed to me and trust that this is the last time I have to make this rather obvious point to you.

You are concerned about what harm I cause, but not Muslims who are killing and raping your citizens. Your time and effort is spent arguing with me about how backward I am, while refusing to see the real danger right in front of your face. You've said that I, an Evangelical Christian, not Muslims, am the problem.

That is twisted.

It is people like yourself who are culpable for the rapes of these girls because you will pounce on any criticism of Islam to the point which these girls were so afraid to be called "racist" by the likes of you that they were silent. It is you who silenced them.
 
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Matt Black

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The upper classes have turned their back on things, just as the Swedes are doing.
Part of the problem with the grooming cases is that the police and social services regarded the victims as the British equivalent of 'poor white trailer trash'; the victims weren't 'deserving ' of their support. That's a failure by law enforcement on a massive scale here and the police need to clean up their act.
 

Matt Black

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You are concerned about what harm I cause, but not Muslims who are killing and raping your citizens. Your time and effort is spent arguing with me about how backward I am, while refusing to see the real danger right in front of your face. You've said that I, an Evangelical Christian, not Muslims, am the problem.

That is twisted.

It is people like yourself who are culpable for the rapes of these girls because you will pounce on any criticism of Islam to the point which these girls were so afraid to be called "racist" by the likes of you that they were silent. It is you who silenced them.
Nope. Again, you are putting words into my mouth and, again, I have to warn you to stop doing this. I said your opinions on this subject are part of the problem. I didn't say they are more dangerous than radical Islam. I didn't say they stemmed from you being an evangelical Christian (how can they, since so many evangelicals reject the kind of bigotry espoused in those views?). So I will ask you again to cease and desist.

There, it seems to me, two discrete threats to the UK under discussion here which are being conflated here:

1. The threat from radical Islamist fundamentalist terrorism. This is real but we have been dealing with the threat of terrorism in these islands for decades. Islamist atrocities don't mean all Muslims.are terrorists any more than IRA atrocities meant all Irish Catholics were terrorists. We tried the sort of tactics you're advocating in the 1970s in Northern Ireland and they acted as a great recruiting flag for the IRA so thank you but, No, we won't be repeating that mistake.

2. Grooming and rape of poor white girls. I've already highlighted the egregious failures of the police and others here. On the side of the perps, the phenomenon is cultural rather than religious: nearly all of them come from remote rural areas of Pakistan where 'traditional family values' ie: treating the opposite sex as property over which men have complete control as their God-given right prevail. So the problem there is misogyny stemming from fundamentalism as a cultural force rather than Islam per se (akin to the Duggars' issue with incest: the problem isn't their Christianity per se but rather their cultural attitudes to women stemming from their fundamentalist version of Christianity).

So, the common link here cannot be Islam (else all Muslims would act like that) but fundamentalism.
 

thatbrian

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Nope. Again, you are putting words into my mouth and, again, I have to warn you to stop doing this. I said your opinions on this subject are part of the problem. I didn't say they are more dangerous than radical Islam. I didn't say they stemmed from you being an evangelical Christian (how can they, since so many evangelicals reject the kind of bigotry espoused in those views?). So I will ask you again to cease and desist.

There, it seems to me, two discrete threats to the UK under discussion here which are being conflated here:

1. The threat from radical Islamist fundamentalist terrorism. This is real but we have been dealing with the threat of terrorism in these islands for decades. Islamist atrocities don't mean all Muslims.are terrorists any more than IRA atrocities meant all Irish Catholics were terrorists. We tried the sort of tactics you're advocating in the 1970s in Northern Ireland and they acted as a great recruiting flag for the IRA so thank you but, No, we won't be repeating that mistake.

2. Grooming and rape of poor white girls. I've already highlighted the egregious failures of the police and others here. On the side of the perps, the phenomenon is cultural rather than religious: nearly all of them come from remote rural areas of Pakistan where 'traditional family values' ie: treating the opposite sex as property over which men have complete control as their God-given right prevail. So the problem there is misogyny stemming from fundamentalism as a cultural force rather than Islam per se (akin to the Duggars' issue with incest: the problem isn't their Christianity per se but rather their cultural attitudes to women stemming from their fundamentalist version of Christianity).

So, the common link here cannot be Islam (else all Muslims would act like that) but fundamentalism.

As I have repeatedly stated, you are woefully ignorant of Islam and how it spreads. The above leaves no doubt.
 

thatbrian

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A global caliphate is the objective of Islam. Peaceful or not, this is what Muslims are working towards. Whether they are having 7 children, making bombs, making money, infiltrating Universities and governments, they are working with that objective in mind. Not all carry guns. Not all are "extremists".

The majority of people believe that Islam is a religion, but it’s actually a community-state - a way of life with a religious component to it. Islam is a geopolitical system that has government, financial, military, legal and religious components to it. It's a totalitarian system that encompasses every aspect of one's life.

Islam is not a religion. It's a competing political system. If you fail to understand that, you fail to understand Islam, and you fail to see your country taken over.
 

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A global caliphate is the objective of Islam. Peaceful or not, this is what Muslims are working towards. Whether they are having 7 children, making bombs, making money, infiltrating Universities and governments, they are working with that objective in mind. Not all carry guns. Not all are "extremists".

The majority of people believe that Islam is a religion, but it’s actually a community-state - a way of life with a religious component to it. Islam is a geopolitical system that has government, financial, military, legal and religious components to it. It's a totalitarian system that encompasses every aspect of one's life.

Islam is not a religion. It's a competing political system. If you fail to understand that, you fail to understand Islam, and you fail to see your country taken over.

Your assessment is absolutely correct. The good news is that not every Muslim is dedicated to the geopolitical goal of their religion. There are Muslims who are coming to faith in Jesus Christ (praise God!). It is possible to oppose the global designs of Islam and still proclaim Christ to individual Muslims.
 

thatbrian

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Your assessment is absolutely correct. The good news is that not every Muslim is dedicated to the geopolitical goal of their religion. There are Muslims who are coming to faith in Jesus Christ (praise God!). It is possible to oppose the global designs of Islam and still proclaim Christ to individual Muslims.

All of us were once idolators, and all in Christ are there by His grace. No man is too lost he can't be found, but as sovereign countries, if we don't severely limit Muslim immigration, we will vanish, because Islam is incompatible with Western society.

I dislike the phrase, "love the sinner, hate the sin", but it comes to mind when I think of the problem we, as Christians and US citizens, face in dealing with a massive geopolitical movement intent on the destruction of Western civilization.
 

church mouse guy

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Part of the problem with the grooming cases is that the police and social services regarded the victims as the British equivalent of 'poor white trailer trash'; the victims weren't 'deserving ' of their support. That's a failure by law enforcement on a massive scale here and the police need to clean up their act.

Or else the police were afraid to act.

Look, I think that the Brits will muddle through, or at least I hope so.

We hear over here that the Pakis marry their first cousins and other close relatives and that has caused a lot of disease and mental defects among them--is that true?

Why doesn't the UK say no more anyone from the Commonwealth or anywhere else?

And another last question for today, why can't Germany dump Merkel, whom some over here are calling a very evil woman?
 
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