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The Two "Natures" of Christ Jesus

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
So from reading your posts it seems one of you thinks
We sin because we are sinners
and the others thinks
because we are sinners we sin.
 

Van

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So from reading your posts it seems one of you thinks
We sin because we are sinners
and the others thinks
because we are sinners we sin.

Returning to topic, the two natures of Jesus, His divinity (God and Son) and His humanity (His flesh and blood body with its needs and desires. Thus He would have the opportunity to go against the will of God, such as to test God, but would have no inclination to go against God, His very nature.

OTOH, we too have opportunities to go against God's will, sometimes knowingly, sometimes unknowingly, but we all go the wrong way some of the time, even after being born anew, but then our activity is not counted as sin, and no wrath is stored. 1 John 1:8, 1 John 3:5.
 
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Alan Gross

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If you are unwilling to accept that God is capable of changing
in any way whatsoever
then it won't take long before you'll become one
who makes a practice of devising theological hoops to jump through
when confronted with even the most basic precepts of the Christian faith, including the very gospel itself which teaches
that God not only became a man
but that He died
and then rose from the dead.

Looks like someone is saying that "God died".

He didn't stop being God when this happened.
He simply became a human being with a physical body
that He never had before and that now, in its glorified state,
He will never be without.

Jesus' Human Nature, in the body God Prepared for Him,
died on the cross of Calvary.

Jesus' Eternal Nature as God didn't die.


Then, this comment is just a further continuation of what you said above.
The unspoiled Nature of His Father was co-joined to a body
that had been planned for Him to live as 100% and 100% God,
from Eternity Past.

Jesus' body was part of what was Elected
and Prepared for Him to Assume, in the womb of Mary.

"Wherefore when He cometh into the world, He saith,
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
but a body hast thou prepared Me:"
Hebrews 10:5.

Obviously a "comment" loaded with doctrinal meaning
that you want, for some reason, to keep us all in the dark about.
As such, it is meaningless and irrelevant.

For Jesus' body to have been Elected by The Triune Godhead
for Him to join with His Divine Nature is "all in the dark"?

And I'm keeping you there? Ummm. :Cautious

Just a related comment. No big secrecy about it,
although that may be new to some people,
& this a way of clueing them in about it. Just a Fact of God.

No it isn't. The two comments may be compatible
but the former does not lead logically to the later.
The two are quite separate issues.

The Divine Nature of Jesus as God leads logically
to the issue of Jesus Assuming The Human Nature,
which was Elected from Eternity Past, as the body God Prepared for Him,
into which Jesus United, to become Fully God and Fully Man.

Oh, O.K., here you do confess to being in the dark
about Jesus having two Natures.


He did not and does not have two natures.
He became a man and remains one to this day and forever more.

"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, He said,
Father, into Thy hands I commend My Spirit:
and having said thus, He gave up the Ghost."

Luke 23:46.

Your use of the term "Elected" is awkward and out of place here.
It would only ever come out of a Calvinist in that manner,
especially capitalized and so no, it wasn't "just a comment".

It is you sneaking in your Calvinism using terms that sound biblical
but that have meanings that only exist inside the mind of a Calvinist
and that turn the God who is Justice into an arbitrary tyrant
.

And, what do you know, as the one who turned God dead?

Does God 'sneaking' The Eternal Doctrines of Grace saturating and engraved
throughout the entire Bible, which depict Jesus' Eternal Work of Salvation,
make you paranoid or something, when Jesus said,
"in the volume of the Book, it is written of Me"?

God explains all about How He Saves Souls, in the contents of the Bible.

I have no doubt that this manner of speaking comes quite naturally to you
and that it seems like a perfectly normal thing to say to your hearing.

If so, it means that you spend too much time with people
who worship a Pagan Greek version of God.

Saying "God died" is Pagan.

Your reasoning that the word "not" equals the word "free" is Pagan,
with respect to the non-Spiritual existence of natural born,
carnal human beings, who are entirely impotent to the prospect of
Spiritually Quickening themselves from their non-Spiritual existence,

and then Spiritually Enabling themselves to be able to Generate
the same Eternal Spiritual Life that Jesus Accomplished
by His Living Perfectly under God's Law and Giving His Perfect Life
on Calvary, to die, be buried, and Gloriously Raise HIMSELF
from THE DEAD to OBTAIN,

so that they, ON THEIR OWN, were able to make it where they
can now relate in the Spiritual Realm of The Eternal Triune Godhead,
to God, Who is Spirit, just by a fleshly act of their will which profits nothing
when God says that DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Life does not come from a rock.

Spiritual Life does not come from the utter absence of Spiritual Life.

I've been doing this for a really long time, Alan.

And, so why haven't you been endeavoring
toward the advancement of The Kingdom of God
and The Cause of Christ?

Instead of Paganism?

It's right in the Bible in front of you, if you could quit so readily denying it.
 
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Alan Gross

Well-Known Member
My terms being that whomever I'm discussing something with
must be substantively on topic and clearly responsive,
using as little "cut and paste" from other sources as is reasonable.

Jesus, just as in the case of the Elect Angels,
where "the Elect Angels are not Chosen to Salvation as men are,
as that signifies a Deliverance from sin and misery:
seeing the Elect Angels never sinned,
and so were never in a miserable condition,
and needed no Savior and Redeemer;

"yet the Elect Angels are Chosen to Happiness,
to Communion
with God now, Whose Face they ever behold;
and to a Confirmed State of Holiness and Impeccability,
and to the enjoyment of God, and the society of Elect men to all Eternity.

"...it may be proper...
to take some notice of the Election of Christ, as man and Mediator;
Who is God's First and Chief Elect;

and is, by way of Eminency, called His Elect;

"Behold, My Servant, Whom I uphold, Mine Elect,
in Whom My Soul delights"
, (Isaiah 42:1)

"and Jesus is oftentimes called the Chosen of God
(Psalm 89:3; Luke 23:35; 1 Peter 2:4).

"Which Character not only denotes Jesus' Choiceness and Excellency,
and the High Esteem He is in with God; Who, though disallowed,
disesteemed, and rejected by men, is Chosen of God, and Precious;

If I understand your question correctly,
the transaction was planned for (not predestined) prior to creation
but the transaction itself happened at Calvary.

"2a. With respect to the Choice of the Human Nature of Christ
to the Grace of Union with Him as the Son of God.

"God prepared a body, or an Human Nature for Jesus,
in God's Eternal Purposes and Decrees
;

"in the Book of which all the Members thereof were written,
which in Continuance were Fashioned, when, as yet,
before there were none of them (Hebrews 10:5; Psalm 139:16).

"Among all the individuals of Human Nature,
which rose up in the Divine Mind, to be brought into being by Him,
this 'body' of Jesus' was singled out from among them,
and Appointed to Union with the Second Person in the Godhead
;

"this 'body' of Jesus' was Sanctified, and Set Apart, and Sent into the world;
in which Joseph was a type of it, who was separated from his brethren:
and hence this Human Nature of Christ was Anointed
with the Holy Spirit above His fellows, and Hail the Gifts
and Graces of the Spirit without Measure;

"and was raised to such Honor and Dignity,
as none of the Angels ever were, or will be (Hebrews 1:13).

"2b. The Character of Elect, as given to Christ,
respects the Choice of Him to His Office as Mediator
,
in which He was Set Up, and with which He was Invested,
and Jesus had the Glory of it before the World began.

Jesus Christ was First Chosen (= Elected) and Set Up as an Head;
and then His people were Chosen
(= Elected), as members of Him;


Jesus was Chosen (= Elected) to be
the Savior of
the Chosen Elect of God;
as they are Appointed (= Elected) to Salvation by Him,
Jesus is Appointed (= Elected) to be the Savior of them
;

"this is meant by laying help on One that is Mighty;
and as their Salvation is through His Sufferings and Death,
Jesus was Foreordained (= Elected), before the Foundation of the World,
to be the slain Lamb; through Whose Precious Blood
their Redemption would be Obtained;

Jesus was Set Forth (= Elected), in the Eternal Decree
and Purpose of God
, to be the Atoning Sacrifice for sin,
to make Atonement
and Satisfaction for the sins of the Elect,
and Procure the Pardon of the sins of the Elect
(1 Peter 1:18-20; Romans 3:25).

"Christ is Appointed (= Elected) to be the Judge of quick and dead;
as well as a Day is Appointed in which God
Will Judge the World in Righteousness, by the man Christ Jesus,

Whom God has Ordained (= Elected) for that Purpose,
(Acts 10:42, 17:31)
.

Why leave it out, in a thread concerning The Two Natures of Jesus,
just because someone might be ignorant of it?

Commentary adapted from page 347, in the chapter:
"Of the Special Decrees of God,
Relating to Rational Creatures, Angels, and Men;
and Particularly of Election."
 
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CJP69

Active Member
Looks like someone is saying that "God died".



Jesus' Human Nature, in the body God Prepared for Him,
died on the cross of Calvary.

Jesus' Eternal Nature as God didn't die.
















The Divine Nature of Jesus as God leads logically
to the issue of Jesus Assuming The Human Nature,
which was Elected from Eternity Past, as the body God Prepared for Him,
into which Jesus United, to become Fully God and Fully Man.

Oh, O.K., here you do confess to being in the dark
about Jesus having two Natures.




"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, He said,
Father, into Thy hands I commend My Spirit:
and having said thus, He gave up the Ghost."

Luke 23:46.



And, what do you know, as the one who turned God dead?

Does God 'sneaking' The Eternal Doctrines of Grace saturating and engraved
throughout the entire Bible, which depict Jesus' Eternal Work of Salvation,
make you paranoid or something, when Jesus said,
"in the volume of the Book, it is written of Me"?

God explains all about How He Saves Souls, in the contents of the Bible.



Saying "God died" is Pagan.

Your reasoning that the word "not" equals the word "free" is Pagan,
with respect to the non-Spiritual existence of natural born,
carnal human beings, who are entirely impotent to the prospect of
Spiritually Quickening themselves from their non-Spiritual existence,

and then Spiritually Enabling themselves to be able to Generate
the same Eternal Spiritual Life that Jesus Accomplished
by His Living Perfectly under God's Law and Giving His Perfect Life
on Calvary, to die, be buried, and Gloriously Raise HIMSELF
from THE DEAD to OBTAIN,

so that they, ON THEIR OWN, were able to make it where they
can now relate in the Spiritual Realm of The Eternal Triune Godhead,
to God, Who is Spirit, just by a fleshly act of their will which profits nothing
when God says that DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Life does not come from a rock.

Spiritual Life does not come from the utter absence of Spiritual Life.



And, so why haven't you been endeavoring
toward the advancement of The Kingdom of God
and The Cause of Christ?

Instead of Paganism?

It's right in the Bible in front of you, if you could quit so readily denying it.
You're a joke calling my doctrine which I've based entirely on direct quotes from the gospels, pagan!

Good bye!
 
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