The United Nations

Dear Harvest,

The white robe, the robe of righteousness, the righteousness of Christ.

Are you washed in the blood of the lamb?
Then you are like the tribulation saints of the Revelation. You get your robe now they will get their robe then.

HankD

 

Harvest,

Does that mean that you weren't looking for serious answers to you questions about why many Christians don't share your worldview?

Joshua

 

OK, just to review, you ask a question that specifically solicits the views of people who differ from you. Then, when I answer the question, you give a flippant reply and explain that you do so because you don't take me seriously. Why don't you take me seriously? Presumably because my views differ from yours.

If you would rather just preach to the choir, why bother asking the question.

Joshua

P.S. I'm not wearing a clerical collar in the profile pic. That picture is a cropped version of this picture. I do wear a clerical collar in liturgical settings where it is expected - as in this picture.

 

Harvest, I am no less a baptist than you simply because our church uses liturgical worship. Some of the oldest baptist churches in the U.S. are/were liturgical congregations.

Joshua
(Who thinks those with photos of Peter Ruckman on their website shouldn't throw stones )

P.S. Speaking of your website, do you really believe this:

 

I think we've discussed that here before, and I've never come to a satisfactory conclusion about why theologically liberal baptists tend to be more conservative liturgically than theologically conservative ones. As a general rule, I imagine that there's more Scripture read in a Sunday morning worship service at our church than in most of the churches represented on this board. Go figure!

On a different note, I'm nothing close to a hardcore liberal. I could introduce you to some, but I don't think it would be a productive experience.

Joshua

 

My Dear brother Harvest,

Substitute "The King James Bible" with "The Vulgate" and "English" with "Latin" and the Church of Rome beat you to this credal punch-line over 1000 years ago.

Those who won't learn from history must make the same mistakes all over again.


HankD

 

Oh none taken You probably already know I'm offended by neither the "L" word nor the "C" word.

Compared to a hardline conservative, I'm a liberal, but in the grand scope of things, tend to be centrist, leaning slightly right of the middle. You know, just like those blue dots in the road that tell us where the fire hydrants are?

 

Hey, why has this thread been hijacked by Mr. Josh into a KJVO debate? Why not leave that to the translations section?

As for the UN - it held a big conference on "Global Governance" two and a half years ago. Who says it doesn't want to become a world-government?

But Harvest, I agree with you Neither your country nor mine needs the UN to tell it what to do (though I have grave reservations about my country's involvement - particularly since our guns don't shoot, our tanks clog up in sand, and our boots melt in desert heat. And that's only for the soldiers who have any equipment). The security council includes China. Why should we let a dictatorship that has annexed a neighbouring country and has huge piles of nuclear weapons tell us what to do with Sadam? Why do we imagine that if a whole load of countries decide something, that should make it right? Of course, if America decides something, that doesn't make it right, either. However, this attitude that the UN (which recently appointed as head of their human-rights commision, wait for it... COLONEL GADAFFI!!!) has some divine mandate to chose right from wrong is very dangerous indeed. But at least you Americans don't have a European Union sucking the very sovereignty and independence of your country away...

 

Wel, I dont think we need the UN, I think its anti-American. 3 of its main members are against the war. China is communist, Russia is close to it(they did gas their own people a few months ago), France is very liberal,Did you here what Chirac said to the Eastern European republics for supporting us? He obviously has some issues!
The UN is also anti-Israel which should be a sign to all God-fearing people to stay away from th UN.
We allow these people to enter NYC and some of them are against our form of government and just plain jealous over our tecnology.
We could do without them and probably should have and we could have started this war and maybe been much closer to it being over. Another thing did anybody see those war protesters? They seemed more like Bush-protesters. Very anti-American they said nothing much about peace or how to achieve it. Most when asked seemed as if they did not know what they were doing.

 

Sorry Bart, didn't mean to hijack the thread. Even after a year and a half on the BB, I still see things that surprise me.

Joshua

 

Bart, is the U that bad? I think it is. Is much of England against it? What do you think of Blair?
He is going with the US and his carear is going down because of it. I am glad for his support but sorry for what it is doing to his carear.

 

I can answer that. Because wolves come in sheeps clothing! or, You have to look like one because you'd never know you were in a church!

And you make such an unproven statement about scripture, I'm appalled that you would make such an assumption.

The UN could very well be a one world government. May not seem like it right now, but the base for it is in motion. Sad that Americans think they are needed for approval. I think they have been misinformed of the UN's power, and the media supports this idea.

 

I don't think that the US thinks it need UN approval, but the US wants UN approval. The reason for that is the fact that the Gulf War was a UN coalition action, and therefore it makes sense to want UN support for reentering the Iraq arena.

 

As I said, it's just a guess based on the many liturgical and non-liturgical baptist churches I have been in. In my experience, non-liturgical churches read at most one passage during a worship service; and often times the preacher simply works short text citations into his or her sermon.

We read 2 Kings 5:1-14, I Corinthians 9:24-27, and Mark 1:40-45 (and sang Psalm 30) last Sunday in worship. In addition, the other components of the liturgy (the Collect, Call to Worship, Confession, etc.) were all built around the readings to reinforce and reflect on them.

Which passages did you read in your service last Sunday?

Joshua