The United Nations

If we are going to invade a sovereign nation withou provocation, we need the approval of the international community. I'm bigger and stronger than my neighbor, but I can't beat him up without a reason that my community (as represented by our local, state, and federal governments) finds satisfactory. The same principle applies globally.

In addition, the justification that we are trying to use is Iraq's apparent violation of a U.N. resolution. We can't get mad at Iraq for disobeying a U.N. rule if the U.N. itself isn't convinced.

Joshua

 

I've never heard of reading of scripture referred to as "vain repetition". So now we can only read "a minimal amount" of scripture in church??

 

Harvest, I posted this on the other thread about the antichrist. Seems appropriate here, though.

http://newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/2/21/141459

The article says he's already lined up countries to support him.

 

As I said, it's just a guess based on the many liturgical and non-liturgical baptist churches I have been in. In my experience, non-liturgical churches read at most one passage during a worship service; and often times the preacher simply works short text citations into his or her sermon.

</font>[/QUOTE]I'll play along. Sunday School we read Hebrews 13:24, Eph 6:, Ac 6:1, ITim 3:8-13.
Service:Mark 11:23, James 1:6-8, James 5:15, Rom 8:26, Rom 4:20
Sun Even: Matt 18:15-18, ICor 5:1-6;13, Matt 5:24, Acts 9:26-27, 18:27, Rom 16:1-2
Wed Even: 2Thes 2:13, IPet 1:2, Rom 8:29-30, IPet 1:4-5
Want to count how many words that is?

Johnv, Harvest was referring to Josh's quote: In addition, the other components of the liturgy (the Collect, Call to Worship, Confession, etc.) were all built around the readings to reinforce and reflect on them.

 

Harvest,

Collectively responding to scripture in worship in a thoughtful, prayerful way is not "vain repetition." In fact, the whole purpose of varying the liturgy every week, and building it around different passages in Scripture, is to avoid vain repetition. In my opinion, singing "Just As I Am" every Sunday comes much closer to empty, rote worshipping.

As for the Confession, it is one of the components in our service. There is a time of silent confession, followed by a corporate confession, and then an assurance of pardon. It's purpose is to remind us that we gather as sinners forgiven only by grace, and to allow us to provide time for reflection and introspection during the worship service.

Regarding your other point, on what are you basing your belief that we can invade other nations at our whim without an international consensus backing us up. If we act in that manner, how are we different than the Sadaam's of the world?

Joshua

 

Olive Branch, that's exactly what I was talking about. Y'all read a whopping 7 verses in worship last Sunday, and none of them were a complete pericope of Scripture.

Joshua

 

The call to worship is vain repetition??? Am I missing something, or should we just let it go and stick to the topic?

 

Sorry - what is "the U"?

I think he hates my country and wants it sucked into a European super-state. I think the only reason he wants to go to war with Iraq is because he is so totally jealous of Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher won the Falklands War (did you Americans send troops to help us that time?), and the Labour party hated it. So, Blair wants his own war. In Kosovo he only ended up bombing tractors and TV stations, so he wants another go. A place in history, that's what he's after.

 

http://www.uwc.ca/pearson/library/lester/lester.htm

Canada has a vested interest in the UN and UN peacekeeping.

As a sovereign country, we will make our own decisions.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Oh, the EU! Oh yes, I hate it. I know you Amercians seem to like Britain being a memeber of it (I'm told the CIA helped fund the "yes" campaign in our referendum in the 1970s, when it was just the "common market"), but then it doesn't suck 1.4 million pounds out of your general coffers every hour, does it? And it doesn't ban your beef exports to the entire world; and it doesn't over-rule yor laws; and it doesn't ban you from selling bananas just in imperial measures; and it doesn't destroy your fishing industry; etc... But most Brits don't know much about it. They're brainwashed by the almost universal accalim for it in the media (especially the government-funded BBC: Brussels Broadcasting Corporation?).

I don't think we like the French. Or the Germans. If only Henry V hadn't died of disintry, we'd have conquered all of France ...

Hear, hear! My brother reckons we should leave NATO so we can attack France!

Who's the USAF?

 

Bart, I had never thought that way of Blair but you are the Brit so your point of view is probably the better on Blair. I did mean EU(slight miss in typing). What do you think of Canada? Did you hear them awhile back calling us barbarious? I did not like that.The EU must be terrible ,but The EU isn't all bad for you though. The euro is stronger than the dollar. If the Mideast Arabs started trading in the Euro instead of the dollar America would be in alot of trouble. What do you think of Prince Charles and the royal family(more so Prince Charles)? I have heard of masons being a big organization in Great Britain. How big are they? Also Bart, Ithink liberals in my country want us to get more sucked into the UN and become dependent on them and serve them and lose all our sovereignty and nationalty.