The Vain Fool, Child of Pride, Son of Folly Who Replies Against God's Sovereignty

[Alan Gross]

Christ covering the sins of all allows for all to be saved but they still have to trust in Him for salvation.

Unless this is false and just a fleshly philosophy, based a Kindergarten misinterpretation.

It is impossible for, "all",
to be considered, "all without exception".

It is possible for, "all", to mean, "all kinds",
but not in the flesh viewing the verse.

sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Anybody sealed?

Some will trust and some will not but it is their choice Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

The flesh profits nothing.

 

[Silverhair]

Unless this is false and just a fleshly philosophy, based a Kindergarten misinterpretation.

It is impossible for, "all",
to be considered, "all without exception".

It is possible for, "all", to mean, "all kinds",
but not in the flesh viewing the verse.



Anybody sealed?



The flesh profits nothing.

Alan show where what I said was in error? Your failed philosophy does not work so you just throw insults as a response. Alan the bible uses the term ALL do you have a problem using the term. The context will tell us whether it actually means everything/one or whether it is hyperbole.

You have already locked yourself into your philosophy by your comments above. When your come to the bible with a preconceived idea then you are just proof texting rather than letting the bible guide you.

So it is not the bible you trust but rather your philosophy.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I agree that we have to look at context which it seems you have ignored again. The context is the letter or is that something that you missed. How do you miss that it is those that have trusted that are being admonished to take care. You have still not provided anything that would support your view. If you want to disagree with the text then it upon you to prove from the text that this refers to your calvinist elect/chosen. Neither these verses or the whole letter support your view.

Martin you are grasping at straws.

In my posts thus far I have only beeen concerned to show that kosmos, translated 'world'' in most Bible versions does not always mean the same thing, even in John's writings, and that it certainly does not always mean 'all the people in the world.'
I will come on to the meaning of 1 John 2:2, but as this thread will be closing shortly, I will start a new one, but the one thing it cannot mean is that Christ is the propitiation for all the people in the world since it it evident that God is not actually propitiated in respect of every person in the world.(e.g. John 3:36).

 

[Silverhair]

In my posts thus far I have only beeen concerned to show that kosmos, translated 'world'' in most Bible versions does not always mean the same thing, even in John's writings, and that it certainly does not always mean 'all the people in the world.'
I will come on to the meaning of 1 John 2:2, but as this thread will be closing shortly, I will start a new one, but the one thing it cannot mean is that Christ is the propitiation for all the people in the world since it it evident that God is not actually propitiated in respect of every person in the world.(e.g. John 3:36).

You are just denying scripture when you deny the work of Christ on the cross. I agree that world does not always mean the same thing and that is why we need to look at context. You are overlooking the fact that Christ covering the sins of mankind does not mean or require that all will be saved. Only those that actually trust in Him will be saved. Eph 1:13

But we do know that God desires that all be saved and provides the means for it through the Son. 1Ti 2:3-6

 

[Alan Gross]

Alan show where what I said was in error? Your failed philosophy does not work so you just throw insults as a response. Alan the bible uses the term ALL do you have a problem using the term. The context will tell us whether it actually means everything/one or whether it is hyperbole.

You have already locked yourself into your philosophy by your comments above. When your come to the bible with a preconceived idea then you are just proof texting rather than letting the bible guide you.

So it is not the bible you trust but rather your philosophy.

Any of us can use the flesh and get a fleshly 'conclusion'
that is self-contradictory and/ or impossible.

There is no "Double-Jeopardy" in God's Holy Justice.

No one will Suffer in Hell, again,
the same Punishment for sin that Jesus ALSO Paid their Hell for.

 

[Salty]

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