The Votes are in and no one supports Abortion

[alatide]

Contrary to most conservatives on this board none of the moderates or the conservatives voting on my poll including me supports abortion. Anybody who claims otherwise at least about me is telling a lie.

 

[matt wade]

Yep, and the other results are in and only the liberals of the board believe that voting for a murder supporting candidate does not equate to supporting murder.

All you and your poll has shown us is that those that voted for Obama don't have the Holy Spirit convicting them of their sinful support of abortion.

 

[KenH]

1) Yep, and the other results are in and only the liberals of the board believe that voting for a murder supporting candidate does not equate to supporting murder.

2) All you and your poll has shown us is that those that voted for Obama don't have the Holy Spirit convicting them of their sinful support of abortion.

1) I voted that way but I am not a liberal. I am a libertarian.

2) Yeah, I voted for Barack Obama, but I will not do so again.

 

[Winman]

Yep, and the other results are in and only the liberals of the board believe that voting for a murder supporting candidate does not equate to supporting murder.

All you and your poll has shown us is that those that voted for Obama don't have the Holy Spirit convicting them of their sinful support of abortion.

I beg to differ, I think it is bothering them, that is why alatide is polling everybody. You see, if he can find someone who agrees with him, he rationalizes that he is correct. It is the oldest trick in the book

"Everybody's doing it"

Probably every teenager that ever lived has used this excuse when they got caught doing something wrong.

Just because some agree with you does not make it right.

Obama was openly pro-abortion in his campaign. When you voted for him, you were voting for a man who promised to support abortion. If he had claimed to be pro-life and then turned out after the election to be pro-abortion, that would be a different matter altogether.

It's like the example I gave before. If someone came to your house and told you they planned on robbing the bank down the street, and then asked if you could loan them your gun, if you loaned that person your gun and they robbed the bank, would you be responsible? Of course you would, and there are laws on the books for this crime, it is called being an accessory.

 

[alatide]

Yep, and the other results are in and only the liberals of the board believe that voting for a murder supporting candidate does not equate to supporting murder.

All you and your poll has shown us is that those that voted for Obama don't have the Holy Spirit convicting them of their sinful support of abortion.

You've shown yourself to be a hypocrite. After the Republicans have done almost nothing to stop abortion, which a republican Supreme Court made legal, you once again claim that if they say the right lies once again a vote for them is a vote against abortion. How absurd.

 

[matt wade]

You've shown yourself to be a hypocrite. After the Republicans have done almost nothing to stop abortion, which a republican Supreme Court made legal, you once again claim that if they say the right lies once again a vote for them is a vote against abortion. How absurd.

When have you seen me say anything about voting for Republicans or that they will do anything to stop abortion? If you remember back to your time as JustChristian, you'll see that I have not spoken well of the last Republican candidate (McCain) and have argued that he was not pro-life.

So, how is it that I'm a hypocrite again?

 

[Winman]

You've shown yourself to be a hypocrite. After the Republicans have done almost nothing to stop abortion, which a republican Supreme Court made legal, you once again claim that if they say the right lies once again a vote for them is a vote against abortion. How absurd.

It's a bogus argument. When any President picks a judge for the Supreme Court, it doesn't necessarily mean they will always follow the party line. Many Supreme Court justices have turned out to be disappointments to both the Democratic and Republican parties that nominated them. Judge Souter was thought by many to be very conservative and voted so in his first years of office, but since then has become increasingly liberal. This from Wiki

At the time of Souter's appointment, John Sununu assured President Bush and conservatives that Souter would be a "home run" for conservatism.[9] In his testimony before the Senate, Souter espoused the concepts of originalism (as Bork had done) and was thus thought by conservatives to be a strict constructionist on constitutional matters.[9] However, in the state attorney general's office and as a state Supreme Court judge, he had never been tested on matters of federal law.[6]

Initially, from 1990 to 1993, Souter tended to be a conservative-leaning justice, although not as conservative as Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas or William Rehnquist.[original research?] In Souter's first year, Souter and Scalia voted alike close to 85 percent of the time; Souter voted with Kennedy and O'Connor about 97 percent of the time.[citation needed] The symbolic turning point came in two cases in 1992, Planned Parenthood v. Casey,[9] in which the Court reaffirmed the essential holding in Roe v. Wade, and Lee v. Weisman, in which Souter voted against allowing prayer at a high school graduation ceremony. In Planned Parenthood v. Casey, Anthony Kennedy considered overturning Roe and upholding all the restrictions at issue in Casey. Souter considered upholding all the restrictions but still was uneasy about overturning Roe. After consulting with O'Connor, however, the three (who came to be known as the "troika") developed a joint opinion that upheld all the restrictions in the Casey case except for the mandatory notification of a husband while asserting the essential holding of Roe, that a right to an abortion is protected by the Constitution.

After the appointment of Clarence Thomas, Souter moved to the middle.[5] By the late 1990s, Souter began to align himself more with Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg on rulings, although as of 1995, he sided on more occasions with the more liberal[15] justice, John Paul Stevens, than either Breyer or Ginsburg, both Clinton appointees.[9] O'Connor began to move to the center. On the abortion issue, Souter began to vote to override restrictions he believed in back in 1992. On death penalty cases, worker rights cases, criminal rights cases, and other issues, Souter began voting with the liberals in the court. So while appointed by a Republican president and thus expected to be conservative,[16] Souter came to be considered part of the liberal wing of the court. Because of this, many conservatives view the Souter appointment as a major error on the part of the Bush administration and have gone on to intensely scrutinize future potential Republican appointees on the standard of whether they would be reliable conservatives. For example, after widespread speculation that President George W. Bush intended to appoint Alberto Gonzales - whose perceived views on affirmative action and abortion drew criticism - to the court, some conservative Senate staffers popularized the slogan that "Gonzales is Spanish for Souter".[17]

 

[alatide]

It's a bogus argument. When any President picks a judge for the Supreme Court, it doesn't necessarily mean they will always follow the party line. Many Supreme Court justices have turned out to be disappointments to both the Democratic and Republican parties that nominated them. Judge Souter was thought by many to be very conservative and voted so in his first years of office, but since then has become increasingly liberal. This from Wiki

When people vote for a candidate many, like me, vote for the candidate and don't necessarily support all their positions. This is especially true on an issue like abortion when the other candidate's party has shown that it will never do anything about it.

 

[matt wade]

When people vote for a candidate many, like me, vote for the candidate and don't necessarily support all their positions. This is especially true on an issue like abortion when the other candidate's party has shown that it will never do anything about it.

Whether you like it or not, when you vote for a person you are voting them and all their positions into office. You are therefore enabling them.

 

[saturneptune]

When people vote for a candidate many, like me, vote for the candidate and don't necessarily support all their positions. This is especially true on an issue like abortion when the other candidate's party has shown that it will never do anything about it.

As has been said many times, what the Republicans do or do not do about abortion does not lessen the guilt by association of those who vote for Democratic candidates who promote abortion. If you get pulled over for going 75 in a 65 zone, and you point out that someone just passed you going 85, that does not stop a police officer from writing you a ticket.

Some of those you keep arguing with voted third party in the last election, so your justification to them is mute anyhow. The platform of the CP explicitly says all life is sacred.

While Republicans have failed to stop the practice, they do not promote it. Some attempts have been made to stop it, and either the political will was not there, or the Democrats used some legislative game to block the attempt. It is not much of a difference, but it is a difference.

When was the last time the Democrats nominated or even ran a pro life candidate, effective or not? This was not really an issue before 1973.

You basically use two arguments to justify a vote.
1. The Republicans are not any better, which has been proven not valid.
2. I vote for the whole range of issues. Since when did the economy, foreign policy, immigration, social security, etc have the same impact as the legalization of taking innocent life?

You need to come up with new reasons. Maybe it is time for you to stop hammering Republicans as an excuse and do something within your own party to put a stop to the practice since you seem to just have to be a Democrat.

 

[Spear]

Do you make exceptions about abortion ? I mean extreme cases, or no ? Like that 9 years old raped by her stepfather in Brazil ? I have it hard to support the fact she would, at 10, have a baby from a rape by her stepfather.

 

[matt wade]

Do you make exceptions about abortion ? I mean extreme cases, or no ? Like that 9 years old raped by her stepfather in Brazil ? I have it hard to support the fact she would, at 10, have a baby from a rape by her stepfather.

So we should murder children for the crime of another? Of course, that's a topic for another thread. So, if you wish to discuss it, create another thread.

 

[Spear]

Done, new post created.

 

[annsni]

I don't approve of strip clubs at all. The fact that I voted for a man who is all for strip clubs and is making sure strip clubs are free and full access to all doesn't mean anything. I still am fully against strip clubs and you can't say that I support them even though, by my vote, I guaranteed that the very thing I disapprove of continues.


*Disclaimer - The above is just an attempt at trying to make the issue clear. I do not, nor ever have supported strip clubs or voted for those who made sure strip clubs are available to all.*

 

[Revmitchell]

I don't approve of strip clubs at all. The fact that I voted for a man who is all for strip clubs and is making sure strip clubs are free and full access to all doesn't mean anything. I still am fully against strip clubs and you can't say that I support them even though, by my vote, I guaranteed that the very thing I disapprove of continues.


*Disclaimer - The above is just an attempt at trying to make the issue clear. I do not, nor ever have supported strip clubs or voted for those who made sure strip clubs are available to all.*

You vote gave support to strip clubs (hypothetically)

 

[annsni]

You vote gave support to strip clubs (hypothetically)

Bingo. People can say that they oppose abortion all they want but their actions reveal something quite different.

 

[donnA]

If voting for the approval of partial birth abortion isn't supporting abortion I don't know what is.

 

[Johnv]

All you and your poll has shown us is that those that voted for Obama don't have the Holy Spirit convicting them of their sinful support of abortion.

I neither support abortion, nor did I vote for Obama. But I don't think it's appropriate to equate a person voting for Obama with not having conviction of the Holy Spirit.

And no, I don't support a 9 year old who was raped by an adult to have an abortion. I do, however, support the retroactive abortionof the adult to raped her. Okay, that was somewhat sarcastic, but you get the point.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I neither support abortion, nor did I vote for Obama. But I don't think it's appropriate to equate a person voting for Obama with not having conviction of the Holy Spirit.

That is as logical as saying that anyone who supported the preemptive invasion of Iraq as not having the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

 

[matt wade]

I neither support abortion, nor did I vote for Obama. But I don't think it's appropriate to equate a person voting for Obama with not having conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I don't care much for appropriate when the truth is involved.