The war of 1860 - 1864

England had nothing to do with starting the Civil War in the USA. That is a bold lie.

England helped to finance the South as did Canada. The only interest England had in the South was called cotton. Remember, the war wasn't over slavery. The had slaves up North too.......called servants by some. The war was over the rights of individual states, and Canada supported that goal. Neither of us supported slavery per se.

Sorry, can't blame us for this one.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Unfortunately, I admit I don't know the answer to any of these questions.

Without a doubt. It was an accepted and prevailing way of life here in the US.

I misunderstood your tone...

You knew I was kidding, I enjoy your post and would ignore one word you say. That is funny for you to remember that...

 

That's the way I understood it which is why said it wasn't intentional but coincidental (almost divine) that they slaves were freed. Many think they had an advocate in the WH but that just isn't the facts.

 

oops!! I quoted it wrong. If freeing the Slaves will preserve the Union, I will free them and ect.

 

Probably Lincoln didn't run his campaign in the interest of freeing the slaves. That was a problem that he had to take into consideration while he was the President.
Lincoln wasn't a dummy just because he was unlikable candidate who won the Presidency by a small margin. He knew who was his enemies behind the Civil War who stired up troble constantly.

 

I found that claim quite surprising myself Jim. The idea that England could have started the Civil war if they had wanted to ranks right up there with modern conspiracy theories. Of course just a few months ago someone on this board floated the idea that the United States is still subject to the British Monarchy because England never acknowledged our independence.

You are right that the war was not about slavery, at least not when it began and certainly never was from the southern viewpoint. But what Lincoln did with the emancipation proclamation was genius in that it made ending slavery the purpose of the war. He turned the southern war of independence into a righteous crusade. He captured the Moral authority for the rest of the conflict.

Sun Tzu recognized the importance of this when he listed Moral Law as one of the five factors

Lincoln won the Moral authority for the north with the EP, regardless of the legality, authority, or actual affect.

Now I have argued here and other places that without the civil war slavery would still have ended, it just would have ended without killing off hundreds of thousands of men. Slavery had gone away in the British colonies and was disappearing throughout the western hemisphere. It would not be abolished completely until the 1880s. The economic reality would have ended it, without the upheaval.

One thing I found interesting about the emancipation in the British colonies is that it included reparations. Not for the former slaves, but for the slave owners who lost their property.

 

How about "Lincoln's War."

Title says it all.