The Wine of Deuteronomy 14:26

[Ivon Denosovich]

There is no need to come up with a law that says "Thou shalt not drink;" the law is already there

Actually, considering that nothing in the Bible is quite as precise as, "Thou shalt not drink," a commandment forbidding it would have to be that precise.

 

[webdog]

I'm pretty sure there are at least 10 threads I can find on the BB that we could import in their entirety, to this one, and save all the usual suspects the efforts of posting and the problem of being "rounded up".

No wait! Can't do that! Some of them are found in the "Baptist Only" sections.

Ed

yeah...but it helps the post count

 

[standingfirminChrist]

At least here you admit wine causes sin...and is not sin.

It causes sin from the very first when it deceives one to take even a tiny swallow of it.

 

[Linda64]

You really think that temptation is the cause for sin? So if I am addicted to porn it is porn's fault?

Wow! Now that's what I call liberty - Its not even "The devil made me do it." Now I have the freedom to say - "Wine made me drink it. Wine made me abuse it. Wine made me a drunk!"

Its not my fault!!

Like I said to Matt, it ain't rocket science. We are not talking about liberty....we are speaking of staying away from things that deceive and cause you to stumble...which lead a person into sin:

Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Don't give the devil so much credit...the devil doesn't have any power that a Christian doesn't allow him to have.

Ephesians 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Don't give the devil so much credit...the devil doesn't have any power that a Christian doesn't allow him to have.

Don't give wine so much credit...wine doesn't have any power that a Christian doesn't allow it to have.

Wine is NOT the cause of drunkenness - the drunk's sin is.

Nope - am done again. Not going to contribute any more to the nth thread on the same tired subject.

 

[Linda64]

Don't give wine so much credit...wine doesn't have any power that a Christian doesn't allow it to have.

Wine is NOT the cause of drunkenness - the drunk's sin is.

Nope - am done again. Not going to contribute any more to the nth thread on the same tired subject.

Tell that to my late husband and SFIC's brother....both died of drunkenness because they were deceived by the wine/alcohol they drank to their deaths.

I don't have to give the wine credit...the Word of God gives wine the credit.

Wine gets people drunk whether you or anybody else believes it or not.

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with sin, wherein is excess; but be filled with wine; ooops....that must be the wrong translation.

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; (KJV)

 

[ccrobinson]

Linda, you're missing the point of what Roger's saying.

Wine is a thing and things are either used or they're not. Things don't choose what somebody does with them. Did wine make your late husband drink? Or, did he choose to drink it?

 

[Linda64]

Linda, you're missing the point of what Roger's saying.

Wine is a thing and things are either used or they're not. Things don't choose what somebody does with them. Did wine make your late husband drink? Or, did he choose to drink it?

The fact that the wine was available is what I am talking about. Of course, my late husband chose to drink the wine. The substance itself (the wine) is deceptive---it will make you drunk IF YOU DRINK it.

I never said that the wine chose...that is plain silly. The implication, IMO, was that alcoholic wine doesn't cause drunkenness, and I know that alcoholic wine does cause drunkenness. The results of drinking alcoholic wine is drunkenness.

 

[Matt Black]

Wine is not the cause of the sin of drunkenness? You should have told that to my husband (who is now deceased). If the wine had not been available for him to lust after, then he probably would be alive today. Wine deceived him like it deceives all who are led astray. He was told that "moderate drinking is ok---just don't get drunk". To make such a statement as "wine is not the cause of the sin of drunkenness is simply ludicrous!

I am sorry that your late husband drank himself to death, but we also have to be careful that we don't let the existential tale wag the theological dog; anecdotal evidence is not a sound basis on which to construct doctrine. If you want to do that, what about the many many people who drink moderately and never succumb to the evil disease which is alcoholism? For instance, my great-grandfather drank himself to death at age 59; my grandmother and her sister however enjoyed a gin and tonic every day; the former died at 88 and the latter at age 85 from congenital heart disease; nothing wrong with their livers at all. Does their existence not disprove your thesis?

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

I am sorry that your late husband drank himself to death, but we also have to be careful that we don't let the existential tale wag the theological dog; anecdotal evidence is not a sound basis on which to construct doctrine. If you want to do that, what about the many many people who drink moderately and never succumb to the evil disease which is alcoholism? For instance, my great-grandfather drank himself to death at age 59; my grandmother and her sister however enjoyed a gin and tonic every day; the former died at 88 and the latter at age 85 from congenital heart disease; nothing wrong with their livers at all. Does their existence not disprove your thesis?

Not at all - Tanqueray (my personal fav) is OK.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Actually, considering that nothing in the Bible is quite as precise as, "Thou shalt not drink," a commandment forbidding it would have to be that precise.

There is a commandment that precise. It is found in Proverbs 23:31

Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, [when] it moveth itself aright. (Proverbs 23:31)

To be fair, I will post the surrounding verse.

Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, [when] it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. They have stricken me, [shalt thou say, and] I was not sick; they have beaten me, [and] I felt [it] not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. (Proverbs 23:29-35)

Even with the surrounding verses, the command is still to abstain totally from the alcoholic beverage. It nowhere says 'Look not thou upon the wine after you have drank a glass or two...' as much as many want it to say that. It clearly states we are not to have anything to do with alcoholic wine.

 

[FundamentalOnly!]

Ecclesiastes



7] Go, eat your bread with enjoyment, and drink your wine with a merry heart; for God has already approved what you do.

 

[mcdirector]

My question is,

since we already almost know who will post what on a thread about wine, and all the archives are searchable, and since these threads seem to nearly always turn into a heated and unglorified debacle,

why aren't they closed as soon as they are opened?

Just curious . . .

 

[EdSutton]

Hey, folks! Did everyone notice??

For the first time, we have a 'booze' thread going!

Make that resurrected!!

Ed