The woman of Revelation 12

Grasshopper said:

If there are no believers there is no church.

Yes there is a church. It's a false church, but a church never the less.

Tam

 

Rev 12-8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Explanation:

Verse 8: the devil loses and there is no place in heaven he can go anymore.

Verse 9: Then the devil and his angels will be cast out into the earth.

Verse 10: Then there will be rejoicing in heaven because the devil won't be able to go to God anymore and accuse us as he did Job.

Tam

 

Rev 12-11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Explanation:

Verse 11: Then the true believers overcome the devil by the blood of the lamb.(By preaching the true word without fear), and by giving their testimony without fear and don't care if they die for it! Because when you testify about Jesus, you are proclaiming prophecy!

Verse 12: Rejoice if you are in heavenly places(Zion)for the devil has come to the others(people who do not believe the true gospel)because he knows his time is short.

Tam

 

And are YOU a member of this FALSE church, being that, as Grasshopper said-- no believers, no church. There has to be true believers and there HAS to be a TRUE church, or our Lord is false! Because he promised that there would always remain a remnant.

 

and the remnant is the ones that the Lord caught away in Rev 12-5. Jesus takes them into His protection. Thats the true church.

 

In you view this happens sometime in the near future. So where is this TRUE church now with its TRUE believers. Also if this apostate church flees into the wilderness with no true believers as you stated, why would God call them up to His presence if they are not true in the first place? This kind of theology is born by a lack of TRUE facts and understanding.

 

Eschat said:

In you view this happens sometime in the near future. So where is this TRUE church now with its TRUE believers. Also if this apostate church flees into the wilderness with no true believers as you stated, why would God call them up to His presence if they are not true in the first place? This kind of theology is born by a lack of TRUE facts and understanding.
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Wake up. there are two groups. The unbelievers are hidden by God so He can work on them some more, because He doesn't want them to perish! The believers are taken into the protection of Jesus!

Right now, they are all mixed together in all the buildings called churches in this land.

 

Rev 12-12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Explanation:

Rejoice if you are being kept by Jesus,for the devil has come to the others(people who do not believe in the true gospel)because he knows his time is short. Remember, he still wants to get to them because God has not stopped trying to get them saved.

 

Rev.12-13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Explanation:

When the devil finds himself on earth, he will begin to persecute the church more, (the woman) because they let the true believers get away. (the man child)

 

Rev 12-14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Explanation:

But God gives the "church" 3 1/2 more years to repent, and protects her from the devil.

Tam

 

Are you a follower of Harold Camping???

 

No, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ.

I don't even know who Harold Camping is!!

Peace,

Tam

 

Rev 12-15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Explanation:

The devil throws a flood of lies after the woman(false church) and tries to carry her away. (deceive her)

Peace,

Tam

 

Rev 12-16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Explanation:

Then the woman(the false church)running from the devil, turns to the earth(the unsaved)and they(unsaved)swallow the lies the devil throws out. The unsaved and the church(false)are now protecting each other;the church still in false doctrine.

Peace,

Tam

 

I think it is simply God's people - all the *spiritual* descendants (those who believed) of Abraham, including the Church. At one time, believers were predominantly also physical descendants of Abraham but there were always exceptions. There are not 2 sets of God's people but only one - with one common unifier - they believed and it was counted to them as righteousness. Those are the only true descendants of Abraham as far as God is concerned and therefore there is only one people.

 

The waters - according to Rev 17 represents many nations peoples and languages.

The earth - represents a lack of nations, and people. A "wilderness".

The woman was persecuted for 1260 years following the resurrection of Christ. The church - (the woman) - found relief in finally going to a land where there were few people, few nations - a wilderness.

America played a role in the reformation and a safe haven for the church. Introducing the idea of freedom of religion and separation of church and state the extent that you would not be going to jail for being anabaptist or quaker vs a Catholic.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Rev 12-17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Explanation:

Now, the dragon(devil)is still mad at the woman(false church)for letting the true believers get away,but he has her (woman) where he wants her,(becoming one with the world)so he goes after the remnant of her seed(true believers)which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ!!!!

Again, see Rev-19:10! Testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

O.K. Thats the whole chapter. Any comments from anyone?

Working for Jesus,

Tam

 

2 Pet 1:19-21 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Rev 22:18-21 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Be careful.

BYe for now. Y. b. in C. Keith

 

Kamoroso,

You said:

2 Peter 1-20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
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I have not made a private interpretation. I have posted it for all to see. The book of Revelation is full of things that people do not understand.

Do you think that God will Never explain any of the mysterys???

You also quoted this scripture:

Rev 22:18-21 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
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I want you to know that I have not and would not change any of scripture.

So your "be careful" admonition is uncalled for and insulting!

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Stratiotes,

You said:There are not 2 sets of God's people but only one -

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You are absolutely right, there is only one set of Gods people, that what I said. The "false church" bunch that I referred to is not Gods people. But God wll work on event hem to the last minute, because He is not willing that any would perish. God can take a person from a false sense of salvation to the "Remnant Church" in the blink of an eye.

If all readers would read this to understand, instead of to pick it apart, it would make sense to them.

I know not everyone will agree, and that's O.K., but it would be nice if everyone ubderstood what they are disagreeing with.

Working for Jesus,

Tam

 

Harold Camping believes that the church age is over, it is time to come out of the church because she is apostate and evil. He asserts that people should not assemble in the churches any longer, because the Holy Spirit is no longer there! Your OPINION of the church seems to carry many of the same ideas as his. You need to do some shopping around, because true and good churches are present NOW! You do not have to wait for some future event in order to experience the Bride of Christ-- His church!!! Your theory possesses so many holes it would be all but impossible to list them on this post. But if you would like I will try and go back to the beginning of your posts on Revelation 12 and attempt to clarify its meaning.