The Word became Flesh and dwelt among us ( Jn 1:14)

[Eliyahu]

Question: How is the term flesh used in Scripture? Is it confined to one meaning?

I don't think so, acts 2 definitely meant the human beings.

But when you read Gal 5, it says about the Flesh and Spirit, and I would take the commandment as the one to the souls.
Souls must not follow the demand of the flesh but the desire of the Spirit. In any case, the flesh there means the flesh of the trichotomy.

Moreover, What Ro 8:3 says is the flesh of trichotomy when we see the context.

 

[Danny Hurley]

The word became flesh and dwelt among us

Paul was once alive without the law; but when the commandment came, sin revived, and he died. There was no death to Jesus because there was no sin to revive, he had the likeness of sinful flesh, but no sin. there was no accuser, he was not guilty of breaking no commandment of God. Jesus said I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

 

[Eliyahu]

I believe Ann agrees to the concept that the egg was sinless in that it was not sinful or sinless. If I show you a pencil and ask "is it sinful?" What an absurd question to ask. How can a pencil be sinful. It is amoral. So is the egg of Mary. It is neither sinless or sinful. It is neither. It is a cell. You can't look at it and find sin or the absence of it. It can't be described with sin. Since the characteristic of sin cannot be applied to an egg, it therefore is sinless. That is all that Ann means. Therefore you are speaking past each other. Is the color green, black or white?

You are comparing Apple to Orange.

Does the pencil become a human being and commit sins and therefore go to the Hell?

In case of Egg and Sperm, they are half human being and become a human being by fertilization, then they commit sins and therefore go to the Hell unless they repent and believe in Jesus.
Eggs and Sperms are different from all the other human cells again, because they are the reproductive channel carrying the sin nature to the next generations.

 

[Eliyahu]

Are you still in the belief that the flesh is neutral and all the verses of Flesh/Sin are the expression for the human natures?

But the context of Ro 8:3 is apparently the Flesh.

Also, Galatians 5 tells about the nature of the flesh after the FALL.

 

[TCGreek]

Are you still in the belief that the flesh is neutral and all the verses of Flesh/Sin are the expression for the human natures?

But the context of Ro 8:3 is apparently the Flesh.

Also, Galatians 5 tells about the nature of the flesh after the FALL.

Haven't we settled the nature of the Word becoming flesh and the makeup of His flesh?

 

[Eliyahu]

Haven't we settled the nature of the Word becoming flesh and the makeup of His flesh?

If the Flesh of Jesus was sinless and Mary was a sinner, how come the Egg of Mary became the Flesh of Jesus as the Egg of Mary was carrying the sin nature for the next generation?

This is still a remaining, unsettled issue.

 

[annsni]

Are you still in the belief that the flesh is neutral and all the verses of Flesh/Sin are the expression for the human natures?

But the context of Ro 8:3 is apparently the Flesh.

Also, Galatians 5 tells about the nature of the flesh after the FALL.

If Romans 8 is speaking of the flesh as in the physical body, then how do we no longer walk in the physical body but walk in the Spirit? Which way does the Spirit go? East or West? That is obviously not the correct meaning for flesh in Romans 8:3.

 

[TCGreek]

If the Flesh of Jesus was sinless and Mary was a sinner, how come the Egg of Mary became the Flesh of Jesus as the Egg of Mary was carrying the sin nature for the next generation?

This is still a remaining, unsettled issue.

In your own words: "You are comparing apples and oranges."

 

[annsni]

If the Flesh of Jesus was sinless and Mary was a sinner, how come the Egg of Mary became the Flesh of Jesus as the Egg of Mary was carrying the sin nature for the next generation?

This is still a remaining, unsettled issue.

Does a cell carry sin nature? That's how it's passed on? So what if Jesus kissed His mother and got one of her saliva cells in His mouth - does that mean that He now became sinful? Sin is not in the cell but in the nature of the man or woman.

 

[Eliyahu]

Does a cell carry sin nature? That's how it's passed on? So what if Jesus kissed His mother and got one of her saliva cells in His mouth - does that mean that He now became sinful? Sin is not in the cell but in the nature of the man or woman.

You do not distinguish between the reproductive cells and the common cells.
The reproductive cells like Sperm and Ovum carry forward the personality, deformities, weakness, resemblances, weaknesses to the next generations. Does anyone transmit the deformities and innate handicaps by kisses to another person? Is blindness or down syndrome transmitted to another person by Kissing?

However, the reproductive cells are different. They transmit the characters, genes for the addiction, genes for cancers, genes for the diabetes, genes for the leukemia to the next generations.
I believe Jesus didn't have any defomities or leukemia, but spotless and blemish. most of the human beings have the mental problems as well, they are quick to anger and quick to murder, which is mentioned in Romans 3.

That they do not seek God but pursue the pleasure of the flesh and the wealth is another sin nature, and these are carried to the next generations thru the sperms and eggs.
Eggs and Sperms are the media for such transmission of the sins.
Without the Sperms and the Eggs, the sin natures cannot be transmitted to the next generation unless they specifically teach them.
However, even if we drop any babies in the no-man's island, they exhibit the sins without learning from any others.
We don't have to teach the children so that they become bad people, saying " you should become wicked men and women when you grow up" They become wicked without need of learning. This is because they inherited the sin nature from their parents. Psalm 51 tells us about it.

If Eggs and Sperms are neutral and carry no sin, how could they commit sins even in the womb of the mother when they kick out the belly of the mother?

Sin struck the spirit and therefore the human beings lost the connection with God.

Sin struck the soul and therefore the human thinking is wicked and greedy, and selfish

Sin struck the Flesh, and therefore Flesh desires the lusts and sins, then carry the deformities and cannot live long.

 

[Eliyahu]

In your own words: "You are comparing apples and oranges."

If nothing of Mary was used for the Flesh of Jesus, Mary was not a Biological Mother, but a Surrogate Mother.

If anything of Mary was used for the flesh of Jesus, then the sin nature of Mary must have transmitted to the flesh of Jesus, mentality of Jesus.

If nothing of Mary was used for the Flesh of Jesus but the Word became a flesh for Jesus, then Mary remains as the Surrogate Mother, and there will be no problem.

 

[TCGreek]

If nothing of Mary was used for the Flesh of Jesus, Mary was not a Biological Mother, but a Surrogate Mother.

If anything of Mary was used for the flesh of Jesus, then the sin nature of Mary must have transmitted to the flesh of Jesus, mentality of Jesus.

If nothing of Mary was used for the Flesh of Jesus but the Word became a flesh for Jesus, then Mary remains as the Surrogate Mother, and there will be no problem.

Are the sin nature and the flesh of man one and the same?

 

[Eliyahu]

Are the sin nature and the flesh of man one and the same?

I don't think so, but the sin natures are carried forward thru the fleshes and souls though it can be taught.

 

[TCGreek]

I don't think so, but the sin natures are carried forward thru the fleshes and souls though it can be taught.

So if I put a slab of human flesh on a table and examine it, Would I find anything resembling a sin nature?

 

[Brother Bob]

So if I put a slab of human flesh on a table and examine it, Would I find anything resembling a sin nature?

You all are going to cause Eliyahu to blow a gasket in his sinful flesh, not in the "likeness of sinful flesh" but the real thing, sinful flesh.

BBob,

 

[Eliyahu]

So if I put a slab of human flesh on a table and examine it, Would I find anything resembling a sin nature?

Not necessarily for each part.

Is the tire of your car running well alone?

Is your windshield running at the speed of 60 mile per hour?

However, Egg and Sperm are the cells which can form the complete human embryo and each of them are responsible for 50% of the genetic factors for the next generations.

When the sins are transmitted to the next generations. are they passed thru airborne bacteria or waterborne bacteria? Or are they taught only thru the TV, Radio and other news media?

Both Egg and Sperm form the brain as well and Brain is the important instrument for the souls.
BY any means, the sins are transmitted to the next generations.
Sin itself affected all 3 components of the human beings, Spirit, Soul, Flesh. When I turn on the computer and click BB, I find Welcome Eliyahu!
How can BB recognize my computer? I believe it is because my comp has the cookie for BB and therefore when I click BB with my own comp. BB recognizes my comp.
When the Sin entered the world, such cookie of Satan was inserted into the human minds, and it is carried over to the next generation. Satan knew this effect, and thru the generetics and thru the soul's influence, the sin natures are carried forward to the next generations.
So, when a new boy was born, his parent passed the sin natures to him, thru the soul and thru the flesh as well. His flesh will have the cookie of Satan in his flesh and soul which will welcome the operation and influence by Satan. Before the FALL, there was no sinful Flesh, but the flesh of Adam and Eve was sinless. However, after the sin entered, their eyes started to see the nakedness, they lost the confidence, their capacity was so great before that Adam could name thousands of animals, but such capacity was reduced and Adam's flesh had to suffer the death. I don't think he was killed by anyone, but died as the flesh reached the limit. Even the earth was changed to produce the poor productivity.
So there must have been a difference between the flesh before the FALL and the flesh after the FALL.

Jesus came to this world in order to rescue the fallen Adam's race. He penetrated into the Adam's race, but He didn't wear the sinful flesh as all the other human beings though He looked like wearing the sinful flesh.
Such sinless flesh could not be obtained from the person under the sin like Mary as all human beings are the slaves of the sin and need to be released by another person who is not the slave of the sin.

Jesus should wear the sinless flesh so that He might offer the Sinless, Spotless Body to God as the Sacrifice.

Did Jesus have to inherit the sinful nature from Mary or Joseph? Nope!

Someone say that Jesus was 100% God and 100% Human. However, if Jesus as the second Adam took the flesh as the one before the FALL, can He not be a human being? Was Adam not a human being before the FALL?

 

[DHK]

Someone say that Jesus was 100% God and 100% Human. However, if Jesus as the second Adam took the flesh as the one before the FALL, can He not be a human being? Was Adam not a human being before the FALL?

Your conclusion seems to imply that Jesus was not virgin born but rather virgin created. That, of course would be a heresy, for Christ is not and was not a created being. He always was, is, and always will be. He is God in the flesh. He wasn't created in the flesh. He was born as a man into the human race, which of a necessity involved a fertilized egg. God did not create something new, but took a virgin who conceived by the Holy Spirit. Nine months later the Son of God was born: totally God and totally man at the same time: The God-Man. He was not created, but born of a virgin, conceived of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Eliyahu]

Your conclusion seems to imply that Jesus was not virgin born but rather virgin created. That, of course would be a heresy, for Christ is not and was not a created being. He always was, is, and always will be. He is God in the flesh. He wasn't created in the flesh. He was born as a man into the human race, which of a necessity involved a fertilized egg. God did not create something new, but took a virgin who conceived by the Holy Spirit. Nine months later the Son of God was born: totally God and totally man at the same time: The God-Man. He was not created, but born of a virgin, conceived of the Holy Spirit.

You are demonstrating your excellent Talent ! which is typical to CREATE the Heresies by your own condemnation ! How many times have you said that? and how long will you continue to exercise such excellent talent?

You brain could not fathom that God can create another flesh for the second Adam. If God created another flesh for the second Adam, then He becomes a Heretic as well?

Should God create the universe only once?

What will you do to God if He created a new flesh inside the womb of Mary? Will you try to kill Him? or condemn Him as a Heretics?

What about the flesh that God wore when He visited Abraham in Genesis? Didn't the flesh exist at all but a delusion only? Was the Flesh created or brought from the invisible Heaven? Why is it OK if you disagree with the creation of new flesh ? Did the Virgin create the Flesh? Did I say so? You are manufacturing false accusations !

You can call my thoughts a Heresy any time. Then I would remember you as a Heresy Manufacturer because often from your brain the word Heresy comes out !

Sins are not inherited thru women but only thru males, Isn't that a Heresy? Of course you may deny it. I have never met any heretics who admit they are heretics, and therefore we should leave that judgment to the Lord who is the Great Judge eventually.

What you can do is that you point out the contradiction with the Bible verses if God created another flesh for Jesus. Could you find any problem or contradiction like that? Seed of Woman, Genealogy is an issue but it is still satisfied by the Surrogacy.

 

[annsni]

You brain could not fathom that God can create another flesh for the second Adam. If God created another flesh for the second Adam, then He becomes a Heretic as well?

Should God create the universe only once?

Wouldn't He create the second Adam in a similar way that He made the first - out of an already existing substance? God did not create human flesh out of nothing and just speaking it - but He hand formed both of the first human beings out of what He had made - and He continues to do that with each and every human being since those first.

 

[Eliyahu]

Wouldn't He create the second Adam in a similar way that He made the first - out of an already existing substance? God did not create human flesh out of nothing and just speaking it - but He hand formed both of the first human beings out of what He had made - and He continues to do that with each and every human being since those first.

That is replaced by the coming out of the first Adam's race, Mary.

I do not rule out the possibility of using another dusts for Jesus. In that case, the similarity exists between the first Adam and the second Adam.

Another way is to reduce the flesh which He wore during the OT times, to the minimum size of the embryo.