The World God so Loved !

[DHK]

If God Loved all men without exception, whats the Point of Jesus telling His disciples this ? Jn 14:21

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If God already Loved everyone in the world without exception, then this statement by Christ was a waste of time, and not really meaningful, since all who are in the world breaking God's commandments are Loved too.

I love all children. But those that are my own I love with a special love and go out of my way to protect them. In exchange for that special love they must keep the commands, commands that I give them in love.

So it is with God's grace. It shines upon all. It is his great love. But for those that accept that love through the atoning blood of Christ, they become part of his family. As His children they are expected to follow his commands, for his commands are not grievous.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

I love all children.

This thread is not about you.

Now we know God Loves His Children, but there is no evidence in scripture that He Loves those that are not His Children, some people are the children of the devil.

1 Jn 3:10

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

In the greek the definite article is before children both times, in describing the children of God and the children of the devil. This denotes Two distinct groups of people, not the same people. The Children of God are those who God Loved 1 Jn 3:1

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

The children of the devil are those God hates, the workers of iniquity Ps 5:5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

So it is with God's grace. It shines upon all.

Thats unbiblical, God's Grace is unto His Elect, the Election of Grace Rom 11:5

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Grace is a Spiritual Mercy that Brings Salvation to all for whom Christ died and to all whom it was given to in Christ Jesus before the world began.

Titus 2:11

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

You always make unbiblical comments. Grace shines on all. Where is that scripture ?

But for those that accept that love through the atoning blood of Christ, they become part of his family.

More unbiblical teaching, this is salvation by works again, accepting is something man does.

A Person becomes part of God's Family by Election in Christ, God's Son, before the World began, before they had any Being in and of themselves.

 

[DHK]

dhk
This thread is not about you.

I never said it was. Illustrations help. Jesus used them. He called them parables.

Now we know God Loves His Children, but there is no evidence in scripture that He Loves those that are not His Children, some people are the children of the devil.

In Mark 10, to the unsaved rich young ruler he said:
"And Jesus beholding him loved him...."
He loves all. In John 3:16. He so loved the world.

1 Jn 3:10

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

In the greek the definite article is before children both times, in describing the children of God and the children of the devil. This denotes Two distinct groups of people, not the same people. The Children of God are those who God Loved 1 Jn 3:1

If I have a child that goes astray and does evil, that doesn't mean I should stop loving him. God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. He loves all; whether wicked or not. Your assumption is wrong. God's love is offered to all. It is up to the individual to accept it.
[quote[1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

The children of the devil are those God hates, the workers of iniquity Ps 5:5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.[/quote]
You take this verse out of context as it is simply a part of an imprecatory psalm that pronounces judgment on the wicked.

Thats unbiblical, God's Grace is unto His Elect, the Election of Grace Rom 11:5

God allows the rain to shower on the wicked and the just alike, and so the sun to shine upon the wicked and the wicked and the just alike. That is an example of his grace that is extended to all people, whether saved or not.

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Out of context. This verse is speaking of the nation of Israel.

Grace is a Spiritual Mercy that Brings Salvation to all for whom Christ died and to all whom it was given to in Christ Jesus before the world began.

No it isn't. Grace is free unmerited favor.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

2 Tim 1:9
9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

You always make unbiblical comments. Grace shines on all. Where is that scripture ?

You just quoted it in Titus 2:11--It is grace that brings salvation to all.
Then I quoted it previously. God causes the rain to shower on the just and the wicked alike; and sun to shine on the just and wicked alike. That is grace poured out upon all men. It is free unmerited favor.

More unbiblical teaching, this is salvation by works again, accepting is something man does.

Salvation is by faith alone. Sola fide. Faith is not a work. It never was. How can you DO faith? What will you pay me for doing faith? Faith is intangible. It is not a work. It is confidence in the word of another. It is trust. It is not a work.

A Person becomes part of God's Family by Election in Christ, God's Son, before the World began, before they had any Being in and of themselves.

Pure nonsense. And that is not what the Bible says.

John 1:12
For as many as received him to them gave he power to become the children of God even to them that believe on his name.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

In Mark 10, to the unsaved rich young ruler he said:
"And Jesus beholding him loved him...."
He loves all. In John 3:16. He so loved the world.

I responded to the rich young ruler comment post 106, and as far as Jn 3:16 is concerned, it states nothing about loving all men without exception, we know it does not mean that because of Rom 9:13

If I have a child that goes astray and does evil, that doesn't mean I should stop loving him. God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. He loves all; whether wicked or not. Your assumption is wrong. God's love is offered to all. It is up to the individual to accept it.

God's Children do evil, but that does not make them the children of the devil.

God allows the rain to shower on the wicked and the just alike

That has nothing to do with God's Grace. God's Grace is Spiritual and Saving and reigns through Jesus Christ.

Yes God has a common providence that is benelovent to all men alike, but that does not mean He Loves you.

You just quoted it in Titus 2:11--It is grace that brings salvation to all.

Sure to all that it saves and converts !

Salvation is by faith alone. Sola fide. Faith is not a work.

It is a work, Believing is something man does ! So if you believe you are saved because you believed or because you received, then you believe you are saved by your works, something you did. The bible condemns that.