The "World"

Your morals are God's morals? You jest?

john.

 

I try to make God's morals my morals. Isn't that the point of being in Christ?

I only pray you jest...

 

Well no not really. The thought that I could unlease genocide is a step too far for me man.

john.

 

That's you, but there have been some throughout time to do just that.

You really don't try to follow God's moral standards?

 

JOB 9:23 When a scourge brings sudden death,
he mocks the despair of the innocent.

JOB 9:24 When a land falls into the hands of the wicked,
he blindfolds its judges. If it is not he, then who is it?

No I don't. If that's what you mean by morals that is.

john.

 

John you seem to read posts about the same as you read the scriptures - lop sided. Here are potions of my first and second posting (not includeing others) that have maintained this SAME view.

 

But that has nothing to do with your OP, Rippon.

What does "world' mean in context based on consistant content. OT - establishes the meaning of the word and the NT continues its usage without change.

 

I missed that, but no matter.

Appleby was still incorrect in his application of WHOM the 'world' was.

The term 'all' can have multiple different meanings in context because 'all' can be an "adjective, noun, pronoun, and adverb" where as the term 'world' is a noun.

Now we know a noun can BE different things and so we look to the authors consistant use of the word to determine the meaning a depth. Since God is the one who wrote the scriptures and seperated it by two covenants or Testiments (Old and New), we can look to see from the beginning (OT) how He consistantly used this word. And if God uses it to describe his people, AND the planet, AND the wicked - the it fallows form to do so in the NT. But if God NEVER uses it in the OT to discribe His people but DOES use it to describe the Planet and the wicked (in variations of both forms but always of one or the other) then by consistancy and context "world" will mean the same things in the second Half as it did in the first HALF of the Bible - Gods Book.

 

Acts 17: 2. And according to Paul's custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3. explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and {saying,} "This Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you is the Christ." 4. And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God- fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

18. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

The Bible View - Correct
John Calvin - Wrong
Jacob Arminius - Wrong

 

Does one verse establish regeneration before faith when there are so many that supports faith before regeneration? I think that's streching Act 13:48 beyond it's limits.
MB

 

This is the way I see it:

One is regenerated into faith. One must be born again before one can see. Regeneration gives the ability to believe. Unless one has a new heart the word will not take root. One can't grow anything on stone.

This operation is instant. One second dead in sins and transgression and the next second holy joes and blameless in God's sight. Made alive must come before belief. How could we understand the, "Come to Me." If we were dead in our sins? How does one hunger and thirst after righteousness as a fallen man when sinful man's sinful mind is hostile to God?

Acts 16:14 One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message.

That is no stretch. The Lord opened her heart, regeneration, and she believed, faith.

What verses support faith before regeneration MB?

john.

 

Born again

We must be born again to see heaven, but we do not have to be born again to trust and believe in Jesus.

John 7:39
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

Acts 19
Paul in Ephesus
1While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[Or after] you believed?"
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."

3So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?"
"John's baptism," they replied.

4Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5On hearing this, they were baptized into[Or in] the name of the Lord Jesus. 6When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues[Or other languages] and prophesied. 7There were about twelve men in all.

 

You are in error Psalms. 1 Cor 2:12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

One is regenerated into faith. One must be born again before one can see. Regeneration gives the ability to believe. Unless one has a new heart the word will not take root. One can't grow anything on stone.
This operation is instant. One second dead in sins and transgression and the next second holy joes and blameless in God's sight. Made alive must come before belief. How could we understand the, "Come to Me." If we were dead in our sins? How does one hunger and thirst after righteousness as a fallen man when sinful man's sinful mind is hostile to God?

Acts 16:14 One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message.

The Lord opened her heart, regeneration, and she believed, faith.

What verses support faith before regeneration Psalms?

Not Heaven, the Kingdom of God. God is Sovereign.

john.

 

You know why some of them were persuaded don't you GordonSlocum? It was God who worked in them to will and to act according to his good purpose. Php 2:13. Salvation is by grace, gratis. I pray one day you can say with me, "But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect."

Opened it up to debate did He GordonSlocum? Think you could reason on level peggings with Him?

John Calvin - Wrong
Jacob Arminius - Wrong
GordonSlocum - Wrong
johnp - right.

johnp.

 

So, in other words, you have no clue what IOW stands for?

 

Truth

You do not have to understand to believe, but believe as a child.


They believed before they received the Holy Spirit that in itself tells you regenerations happens after we believe,

It is Jesus words that is Spirit and they are life without accepting them we have no life. His words is the beginning of the regeneration.

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

 

Faith

Faith is being a baby in the mothers womb. We must be willing to go back as a child in the womb of our mother and Jesus being our mother.