Theoretical sinlessness

[DHK]

HP: What does that matter? Are not all humans, or angels for that matter, created by God?

Yes, it matters. All were created by God, originally. Man is not created by God now. He is born of man, born with a sin nature.

HP: There is absolutely no indication that Adam, IN THE FLESH, was created to live forever in this physical world. Scripture tells us that EVERYTHING that is seen is temporal, not eternal.

The Bible specifically says that had they eaten of the fruit of the tree of Life they would have had eternal life.

HP: They were condemned for their sin. We are condemend for ours. There was physical consequence that indeed have fallen upon their posterity, but that does not constitute 'sin' as being an 'unavoidable' consequence. Read again the words of God Himself to Cain.

The whole human race was condemned because of his sin. Even all creation fell under the curse. Everything is in a state of decay. Nothing escapes the curse of Adam, including our bodies, and including our sinful natures. Why do we have to teach infants to tell the truth??
"They come forth from the womb speaking lies."

HP: Then Eve did not sin according to you? If sin is not imputed there is not sin. Sin is a judgment of God upon disobedience, not a 'thing."

Sin was imputed to Adam, not to Eve for Eve was deceived. When God issued out punishment Eve was there and received her judgment. Eve had sinned and paid the consequence, a consequence which would fall upon all women. That in itself only bolsters the dogma of original sin and the depravity of man.

If God does not judge ones actions as sin, it is not sin.

God did judge the actions of Eve. Have you not read Genesis chapter three. I advised you to do that some time ago.

When Scripture states that 'sin is not imputed,' it does not mean sin existed but it did not. Either sin exists and it's corresponding penalty, or it does not. No penalty? No sin. Penalty is involved? Sin is involved.

And it was. And Eve received punishment for it.
However, Adam's punishment was greater, and the consequences were greater. Adam was to some extent responsible for Eve. We might consider him the head of the household.

HP: I would absolutely agree with your comment here as it is stated. Our disagreement is in what does that 'depraved nature consist of, and is it in and of itself sin. Being prone to sin is NOT to say that sin is unavoidable. If sin is unavoidable, sin cannot be blameworthy. If God is going to blame a leopard for his spots or the Ethiopian for his skin...... ( I will let you finish that sentence for me.:thumbs: ) How would you finish that sentence DHK?

How is it possible that you being a depraved person from birth do good? The answer is you cannot.

The leopard had spots from his birth. It was his nature.
The Ethiopian had black skin from his birth. It was his nature.
They both were accustomed to their spots and skin respectively.
Man has a depraved nature from his birth. He is accustomed to committing sin from his birth onward. He cannot do good in the sight of God that will merit him righteousness.

 

[DHK]

Why shouldn't I question your judgment" or ability to reason out of the Scriptures"?

I am question your "judgment" about these things and they should be questioned. You should be rebuked when you insult my intelligence by saying such inane things. You get all indignant when I point out that what you say is illogical.

If you think that what I quoted from David Brown stands against me then you are once again demonstrating that your "judgment" about these things is seriously flawed.

Your remarks above are totally unacceptable.
Here is what you said again in the previous post:

1. “…proving once again that you spiritual IQ is practically nonexistent.”

2. “….your limited understanding…”

3. “I do not mean to be unkind but you are exhibiting symptoms of being in a delusional state and I would recommend that you consult a doctor.”

4. “Once again I do not mean to be unkind but you show signs of being delusional. Are you under the impression that I or anyone else….

5. I think you have lost all touch with reality and really should contact someone who can help you with your delusions.

And you still try to justify this Jerry??