There is no Millennium according to Jesus

[1689Dave]

Plainly, I do not give credence to those who do not take the Revelation as factual.

These events happens prior to the return of the Christ. They have not happened; therefore, we are not in some human perception of the millennium.

14And I looked and saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.15Then another angel came out of the temple, crying out in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.” 16So the One seated on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

17Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18Still another angel, with authority over the fire, came from the altar and called out in a loud voice to the angel with the sharp sickle, “Swing your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the vine of the earth, because its grapes are ripe.”19So the angel swung his sickle over the earth and gathered the grapes of the earth, and he threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and the blood that flowed from it rose as high as the bridles of the horses for a distance of 1,600 stadia.​

Where is the historical evidence of this occurring? There is none.

The reaping happens before the millennium, not during and not after.


God have mercy for anyone teaching differently then the veracity of Your Word.

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All Protestant creeds pointed to the Papacy being Antichrist. God's 4 sore judgments are at the forefront and throughout Revelation. Try saying "I don't understand it" instead of it hasn't happened. Keep in mind the literalists destroy the message.

 

[Yeshua1]

“And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:” Ephesians 2:6 (KJV 1900) If you take your blinders off, it's happening now.

Jesus is not directly ruling on earth, as he is right now in his High Priest role, and not yhet as the King!

 

[Yeshua1]

All Protestant creeds pointed to the Papacy being Antichrist. God's 4 sore judgments are at the forefront and throughout Revelation. Try saying "I don't understand it" instead of it hasn't happened. Keep in mind the literalists destroy the message.

The Bible does not support that the Pope must be the coming Antichrist, as seems to fit much better the coming false prophet!

 

[Yeshua1]

I think the end is near, Satan having been loosed based on the state of the church.

He has not yet been bound, for when he is, there shall be no more evil and sin loose on earth!

 

[agedman]

All Protestant creeds pointed to the Papacy being Antichrist. God's 4 sore judgments are at the forefront and throughout Revelation. Try saying "I don't understand it" instead of it hasn't happened. Keep in mind the literalists destroy the message.

No!

The writing of Scripture is to be understood within the framework that events will literally take place. The descriptions may be illustrations and perceptions, but the facts presented by the Prophetic pronouncements do come to be fulfilled.

What human would think a virgin would conceive?

What human would think the Messiah would suffer?

What human would think one could raise them self from the dead?

How dare believers pick and choose what they will take as literal and discard the rest as fanciful!

Who rejected the virgin birth? Pharisees

Who rejected the Messiah? Pharisees

Who rejects the NT? Pharisees

Who are those who reject the statements of the prophets? Pharisees

 

[Yeshua1]

No!

The writing of Scripture is to be understood within the framework that events will literally take place. The descriptions may be illustrations and perceptions, but the facts presented by the Prophetic pronouncements do come to be fulfilled.

What human would think a virgin would conceive?

What human would think the Messiah would suffer?

What human would think one could raise them self from the dead?

How dare believers pick and choose what they will take as literal and discard the rest as fanciful!

Who rejected the virgin birth? Pharisees

Who rejected the Messiah? Pharisees

Who rejects the NT? Pharisees

Who are those who reject the statements of the prophets? Pharisees

The very ones who rejected a literal fulfillment of prophecies!

 

[1689Dave]

No!

The writing of Scripture is to be understood within the framework that events will literally take place. The descriptions may be illustrations and perceptions, but the facts presented by the Prophetic pronouncements do come to be fulfilled.

What human would think a virgin would conceive?

What human would think the Messiah would suffer?

What human would think one could raise them self from the dead?

How dare believers pick and choose what they will take as literal and discard the rest as fanciful!

Who rejected the virgin birth? Pharisees

Who rejected the Messiah? Pharisees

Who rejects the NT? Pharisees

Who are those who reject the statements of the prophets? Pharisees

You do not understand Revelation. And to teach on it is adding words and false prophecy to it.

 

[agedman]

You do not understand Revelation. And to teach on it is adding words and false prophecy to it.

“3Blessed is the one reading, and those hearing the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things having been written in it; for the time is near.”​

I have read (many times) and am trusting those things written in it.

I do not add nor take away from that wonderful book.

But, that cannot be stated among those who teach some a-mill, preterist, post mill, and any other scheme that does not present a literal millennial reign with the return of saints lead by the King of kings to rule with a rod of iron over all the earth.

Those schemes are all of the anti-Christ, and were formed by the anti-Christ to distract from the validity and veracity of the Scriptures.

 

[1689Dave]

“3Blessed is the one reading, and those hearing the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things having been written in it; for the time is near.”​

I have read (many times) and am trusting that those things written in it.

I do not add nor take away from that wonderful book.

But, that cannot be stated among those who teach some a-mill, preterist, post mill, and any other scheme that does not present a literal millennial reign with the return of saints lead by the King of kings to rule with a rod of iron over all the earth.

Those schemes are all of the anti-Christ, and were formed by the anti-Christ to distract from the validity and veracity of the Scriptures.

How many different views are there? Why do you think you are right and not deceived by Dispensationalism?

 

[tyndale1946]

You do not understand Revelation. And to teach on it is adding words and false prophecy to it.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Dave... According to these starting verses in Revelation if there was/is a millennium, it was a short one... Brother Glen

 

[1689Dave]

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Dave... According to these starting verses in Revelation if there was/is a millennium, it was a short one... Brother Glen

Jesus taught against any millennium. See my OP scriptures.

 

[1689Dave]

“3Blessed is the one reading, and those hearing the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things having been written in it; for the time is near.”​

I have read (many times) and am trusting those things written in it.

I do not add nor take away from that wonderful book.

But, that cannot be stated among those who teach some a-mill, preterist, post mill, and any other scheme that does not present a literal millennial reign with the return of saints lead by the King of kings to rule with a rod of iron over all the earth.

Those schemes are all of the anti-Christ, and were formed by the anti-Christ to distract from the validity and veracity of the Scriptures.

Did you know scripture does not mention a Millennium? So you are adding to God's word when you turn John's 1000 years into the Pharisee's Millennium because it is supposedly 1000 years long. This is shoddy and dangerous eisegesis.

 

[tyndale1946]

Jesus taught against any millennium. See my OP scriptures.

I know that!... I didn't know anything about any millennium until I joined this board, what, twenty years ago!... For over 50 years, my doctrine is still... "RESURRECTION"... No Millennium!!!... Brother Glen

 

[Yeshua1]

Did you know scripture does not mention a Millennium? So you are adding to God's word when you turn John's 1000 years into the Pharisee's Millennium because it is supposedly 1000 years long. This is shoddy and dangerous eisegesis.

So is denying a literal messianic Age yet to come upon this earth!

 

[agedman]

Did you know scripture does not mention a Millennium? So you are adding to God's word when you turn John's 1000 years into the Pharisee's Millennium because it is supposedly 1000 years long. This is shoddy and dangerous eisegesis.

I know that!... I didn't know anything about any millennium until I joined this board, what, twenty years ago!... For over 50 years, my doctrine is still... "RESURRECTION"... No Millennium!!!... Brother Glen

The Scriptures state:

1And I saw an angel descending out of heaven, holding in his hand the key of the Abyss, and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is thedevil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3And he cast him into the Abyss, and shut and sealed it over him, so that he should not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed. After these things it is necessary for him to be released for a little time.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those having been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not take the mark upon the forehead, and upon their hand. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​

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If was stated once, I would have taken it as factual, stated THREE times leaves no excuse for pretending such reign can be ignored.

Believers do not rule in the current Heaven nor in that marvelous one being prepared for us.

But the Word teaches of a ruling by the Messiah in the OT that will happen. And the last great prophecy given also clearly presents such a rule.

Yet, I am said to be adding?

Who are these who would bring doubt to the validity and veracity of the prophets?

Did not the Pharisees search and not understand?

Did they by their own lack of understanding make false assumptions?

Did they not bluster in attempting to prevent others from seeing and also to bolster their own credibility?

When the Scriptures are written so openly clear, yet is discredited who then is the Pharisees?

 

[1689Dave]

The Scriptures state:

1And I saw an angel descending out of heaven, holding in his hand the key of the Abyss, and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is thedevil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3And he cast him into the Abyss, and shut and sealed it over him, so that he should not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed. After these things it is necessary for him to be released for a little time.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those having been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not take the mark upon the forehead, and upon their hand. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​

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If was stated once, I would have taken it as factual, stated THREE times leaves no excuse for pretending such reign can be ignored.

Believers do not rule in the current Heaven nor in that marvelous one being prepared for us.

But the Word teaches of a ruling by the Messiah in the OT that will happen. And the last great prophecy given also clearly presents such a rule.

Yet, I am said to be adding?

Who are these who would bring doubt to the validity and veracity of the prophets?

Did not the Pharisees search and not understand?

Did they by their own lack of understanding make false assumptions?

Did they not bluster in attempting to prevent others from seeing and also to bolster their own credibility?

When the Scriptures are written so openly clear, yet is discredited who then is the Pharisees?

But you are reading Phariseeism into this. It does not mean what you think it does.

Learn about the Kingdom from Jesus (See the scriptures in the op). And then try to learn the meaning of Revelation 20. There is no millennium according to Jesus. Don't think the mention of 1000 years implies one unless you can prove it from scripture that never mentions a millennium.

 

[tyndale1946]

The Scriptures state:

1And I saw an angel descending out of heaven, holding in his hand the key of the Abyss, and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is thedevil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3And he cast him into the Abyss, and shut and sealed it over him, so that he should not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed. After these things it is necessary for him to be released for a little time.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those having been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not take the mark upon the forehead, and upon their hand. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​

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If was stated once, I would have taken it as factual, stated THREE times leaves no excuse for pretending such reign can be ignored.

Believers do not rule in the current Heaven nor in that marvelous one being prepared for us.

But the Word teaches of a ruling by the Messiah in the OT that will happen. And the last great prophecy given also clearly presents such a rule.

Yet, I am said to be adding?

Who are these who would bring doubt to the validity and veracity of the prophets?

Did not the Pharisees search and not understand?

Did they by their own lack of understanding make false assumptions?

Did they not bluster in attempting to prevent others from seeing and also to bolster their own credibility?

When the Scriptures are written so openly clear, yet is discredited who then is the Pharisees?

Metaphorical, symbolical, spiritual... Not literal!... This is without a doubt a very controversial subject on here but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it... So you brethren will pardon me if I back out but I will still be watching and comment if I have a mind too... Brother Glen

 

[agedman]

But you are reading Phariseeism into this. It does not mean what you think it does.

Learn about the Kingdom from Jesus (See the scriptures in the op). And then try to learn the meaning of Revelation 20. There is no millennium according to Jesus. Don't think the mention of 1000 years implies one unless you can prove it from scripture that never mentions a millennium.

God caused it to be written and I believe what it states. it is proved by Scriptures. You are confirmed to discredit those Scriptures you would hold forth in other matters, just like the Pharisees of old.

Jesus DID refer to the kingdom in that great example of prayer He gave.

“Thy kingdom come, Thy WILL be done on EARTH as it is in heaven…”​

Have you and others not presented the kingdom is now?

Yet did not the Lord say, “My kingdom is not of this world, for then would my servants fight.” And Paul share, “We are lead as sheep to the slaughter…”.

When the Lord return with the saints, then shall there be a fight as He bring the kingdom to rule over all the earth.

11And I saw heaven having been opened, and behold, a white horse, and the Onesitting upon it called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12Now His eyes are like a flame of fire, and upon His head many diadems, having a name having been written, which no one except He Himself knows, 13and having been clothed with a garment having been dipped in blood.aAnd His name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies who were in heaven, having been clothed in pure, white, fine linen were following Him upon white horses. 15And out of His mouth goes forth a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations; and He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the press of the wine of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16And He has a name having been written upon the robe and upon His thigh: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

17And I saw one angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in loud a voice, saying to all the birds flying in mid-heaven, “Come, gather yourselves unto the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of commanders, and theflesh of captains, and the flesh of horses and of those sitting on them, and the flesh of all, both free and slaves, and small and great.”

19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, having been gathered together to make war with the One sitting on the horse and with His army.20And the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet, the one having done the signs before him, by which he deceived those having received the mark of the beast and those worshiping its image. The two were cast living into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the rest were killed with the sword of the One sitting on the horse having gone forth out of his mouth.

And all the birds were filled with their flesh.


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What an awesome Savior and feared King!

 

[1689Dave]

God caused it to be written and I believe what it states. it is proved by Scriptures. You are confirmed to discredit those Scriptures you would hold forth in other matters, just like the Pharisees of old.

Jesus DID refer to the kingdom in that great example of prayer He gave.

“Thy kingdom come, Thy WILL be done on EARTH as it is in heaven…”​

Have you and others not presented the kingdom is now?

Yet did not the Lord say, “My kingdom is not of this world, for then would my servants fight.” And Paul share, “We are lead as sheep to the slaughter…”.

When the Lord return with the saints, then shall there be a fight as He bring the kingdom to rule over all the earth.

11And I saw heaven having been opened, and behold, a white horse, and the Onesitting upon it called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12Now His eyes are like a flame of fire, and upon His head many diadems, having a name having been written, which no one except He Himself knows, 13and having been clothed with a garment having been dipped in blood.aAnd His name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies who were in heaven, having been clothed in pure, white, fine linen were following Him upon white horses. 15And out of His mouth goes forth a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations; and He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the press of the wine of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16And He has a name having been written upon the robe and upon His thigh: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

17And I saw one angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in loud a voice, saying to all the birds flying in mid-heaven, “Come, gather yourselves unto the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of commanders, and theflesh of captains, and the flesh of horses and of those sitting on them, and the flesh of all, both free and slaves, and small and great.”

19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, having been gathered together to make war with the One sitting on the horse and with His army.20And the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet, the one having done the signs before him, by which he deceived those having received the mark of the beast and those worshiping its image. The two were cast living into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the rest were killed with the sword of the One sitting on the horse having gone forth out of his mouth.

And all the birds were filled with their flesh.


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What an awesome Savior and feared King!

But, you reject the gospel of the kingdom and side with the wicked Pharisees. Think about how serious this is.

 

[agedman]

Metaphorical, symbolical, spiritual... Not literal!... This is without a doubt a very controversial subject on here but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it... So you brethren will pardon me if I back out but I will still be watching and comment if I have a mind too... Brother Glen

Just as the Pharisees of old saying, “We know from whom this man comes,” slandering His birth.

Did such religious rulers not took the prophets as metaphorical and symbolical, for their human understanding did not allow for the literal?

Yet, we look back and most often shake heads at their lack of understanding!

How different is the Pharisees’ view of the prophets from those who espouse using the same thinking of metaphor and symbolic when it comes to the future promises yet to be realized?

One would consider that certainly the Christ came and presented as it is repeated “that the prophet may be fulfilled…” or “to fulfill the word spoken by the prophet…” would in some manner give validation to prophecy!

But the schemes conjured and presented by Antichrist has set into the hearts of those who look upon maters as did the Pharisees of old,

Can these who discredit prophecy repent and recant?

With God all is possible even what some might consider improbable, impossible, impractical….