There Is Nothing We Can Do About it

[poncho]

I'm starting this thread so our new friend Jordan has a fresh platform from which to explain to us how "there is nothing we can do about it".

I'd like to reply to Jordan's post here.

When the dollar collapses God will take care of us if we are concerned about what he is concerned about.

Remember the admonition of Jesus?

Matthew 6:25-34 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Also do you remember this portion of scripture?

Daniel_4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

So who are we to put our faith in?

The information of all these shills who we dont even know are telling the truth? or God?

God is concerned with Evangelism, You are allowing Satan to distract you from this, Even if all this is true, there is nothing that we can do about it, God is in control and he is allowing current governments and bankers to do what they do.

Open your eyes man, I'm not even saying that what your warning about may be not true, but this is not the right thing to focus on, If Jesus comes back tomorrow what is all these ranting posts about the Globalist Agenda going to be worth? absolutely nothing.

Let's be fair Jordan. If this applies to me then it must apply to everyone here if you're going to be consistent, right? I mean if "there's nothing we can do about it" anyway why should we be focused on anything but the gospel? If Jesus came back tomorrow what would He have to say to all these other posters here that constantly rant about liberals and socialists and conservatives and democrats and republicans and abortion and the liberal media and the Russians and Islam and illegal immigrants and dictators in other countries and government spending and all the other things people here rant about? Who can tell who's lying to us and who isn't?

Maybe the media is lying to us. Maybe the government is lying to us. Who can we believe? Can we believe Fox news? Or CNN? Can we believe what the Pentagon is telling us? Joel Osteen? Can we believe him? How about John McCain? Can he be trusted to tell us the truth? Or shouldn't we wonder about such things because "there's nothing we can do about it"?

What's the difference between my rants about globalists and a conservative's rants about liberals? Or a liberals rants about conservatives? If "there's nothing we can do about it" then maybe we should stop voting. Right? Maybe we shouldn't spend time ranting about abortion and those who perform them? Maybe we shouldn't be ranting about Obama because "there's nothing we can do about it".

Should Christians fight in any of our wars? Or defend the second amendment or any of the others? What about the constitution? Should we be worried if the government violates it if "there's nothing we can do about it"?

If "there's nothing we can do about it" shouldn't we all quit posting in the current events and politics forums because it's all being done in vain and because all these rants will amount to "absolutely nothing". Go ahead take a look at all the threads here. There are many here who some might say obsess over "the socialist take over" and the democratic party. Go ahead take a look at the threads here. See how many there are on just those subjects alone, go back a few pages 50 or even 100 it's always the same. Go on up to current events and go through a few pages of postings there 50, 100 even 500 it's always the same. How many do you see that pertain to "liberals" and "democrats", hundreds? Thousands? Look at all the posts ranting about "liberals" and "democrats" and "socialism" and "marxism" and "liberals" and "democrats" and "liberals" and "democrats" and "socialists" all the time day and night "liberals", "democrats", "socialists", marxists", and Obama and Obama and Obama and Obama and Obama and Obama and Obama and . . . you get the point right? Shouldn't they stop being so focused on "liberals" and "democrats" and Obama because "there's nothing we can do about it"?


Remember stick to the topic of the thread okay? This isn't a thread about me or you it's a thread about the notion that "there's nothing we can do about it".

Okay Jordan you have the floor.

 

[poncho]

Guess Jordan wasn't all that interested in having a discussion on this topic after all.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

I'm starting this thread so our new friend Jordan has a fresh platform from which to explain to us how "there is nothing we can do about it".

I'd like to reply to Jordan's post here.



Let's be fair Jordan. If this applies to me then it must apply to everyone here if you're going to be consistent, right? I mean if "there's nothing we can do about it" anyway why should we be focused on anything but the gospel? If Jesus came back tomorrow what would He have to say to all these other posters here that constantly rant about liberals and socialists and conservatives and democrats and republicans and abortion and the liberal media and the Russians and Islam and illegal immigrants and dictators in other countries and government spending and all the other things people here rant about? Who can tell who's lying to us and who isn't?

Maybe the media is lying to us. Maybe the government is lying to us. Who can we believe? Can we believe Fox news? Or CNN? Can we believe what the Pentagon is telling us? Joel Osteen? Can we believe him? How about John McCain? Can he be trusted to tell us the truth? Or shouldn't we wonder about such things because "there's nothing we can do about it"?

What's the difference between my rants about globalists and a conservative's rants about liberals? Or a liberals rants about conservatives? If "there's nothing we can do about it" then maybe we should stop voting. Right? Maybe we shouldn't spend time ranting about abortion and those who perform them? Maybe we shouldn't be ranting about Obama because "there's nothing we can do about it".

Should Christians fight in any of our wars? Or defend the second amendment or any of the others? What about the constitution? Should we be worried if the government violates it if "there's nothing we can do about it"?

If "there's nothing we can do about it" shouldn't we all quit posting in the current events and politics forums because it's all being done in vain and because all these rants will amount to "absolutely nothing". Go ahead take a look at all the threads here. There are many here who some might say obsess over "the socialist take over" and the democratic party. Go ahead take a look at the threads here. See how many there are on just those subjects alone, go back a few pages 50 or even 100 it's always the same. Go on up to current events and go through a few pages of postings there 50, 100 even 500 it's always the same. How many do you see that pertain to "liberals" and "democrats", hundreds? Thousands? Look at all the posts ranting about "liberals" and "democrats" and "socialism" and "marxism" and "liberals" and "democrats" and "liberals" and "democrats" and "socialists" all the time day and night "liberals", "democrats", "socialists", marxists", and Obama and Obama and Obama and Obama and Obama and Obama and Obama and . . . you get the point right? Shouldn't they stop being so focused on "liberals" and "democrats" and Obama because "there's nothing we can do about it"?


Remember stick to the topic of the thread okay? This isn't a thread about me or you it's a thread about the notion that "there's nothing we can do about it".

Okay Jordan you have the floor.

I never said "there's nothing we can do about it"

my point is that Christians make a huge deal about politics, we rail against the evils of politics, we gripe and gripe about Obama this Obama that, and Christians get so focused on politics that they get distracted from what really has the power to change all these things: The Gospel message.

You cannot reform unregenerate men with politics, the only hope any nation has is for Spiritual Revival and to turn back to God.

I did not say that a Christian should not get involved in Politics, I'm merely stating that the focus of Christians should mainly be on the Gospel.

I mean Poncho you seem so patriotic, But really what is posting a the BB really gonna do for the state of this world?

Come on, Jesus told his Church to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature, Not go into all the BB and preach conspiracy theories and politics.

Politics are proper in their place, but unless you are a politician or are actually involved with politics, then your focus needs to be the Gospel.

Tell me again Poncho what you are actually doing to change these things you seem to always rant and rave about?

Give me something practical?

 

[poncho]

Attempt to derail thread reported to the mods at 1:17 EST.

Jordan is it possible for to stick to the topic and stop trying to make it all about me? Seeing as how you have not admonished other posters on this board who are guilty of the "same crime" of taking part in the political process (open debate) I can only assume that you are singling me out for your sermons and are actively trying to derail my threads.

If you wish to discuss the topic at hand then stick to the topic. I don't care to see another one of my threads devolve into a childish name calling match.

Now to answer your question what you said can be found by starting here . . . http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2109948&postcount=13 and here http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2109997&postcount=27 and here http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2109998&postcount=28

 

[Salty]

...You cannot reform unregenerate men with politics, the only hope any nation has is for Spiritual Revival and to turn back to God. ...

...I did not say that a Christian should not get involved in Politics, I'm merely stating that the focus of Christians should mainly be on the Gospel. ...

...Politics are proper in their place, but unless you are a politician or are actually involved with politics, then your focus needs to be the Gospel. ...

Jordan - Excellent post

The only thing I would add is there should be a balance.
I have run for political office- so I have been on both sides.

I remember years ago, President Jimmy Carter talked about how he would go out doorkocking for election season, but did not have the same enthusiasm for soul-winning.

Could be Jimmy is onto something......

 

[poncho]

Something practical?

What is the prevailing thought behind this question? It is that disregarding all the propaganda lies and disinformation that is put out by those of opposite political persuasions to protect their political idols and further their agendas and getting to the heart of the problem and calling attention to the real problem "elitism" isn't going to change anything? Please explain how protecting political idols and causing divisions and spreading hate towards others is practical.

Please explain why griping endlessly about "liberals" and "conservatives" while ignoring the root of the problem is practical. Please explain why you are here preaching to me about posting in a political forum when you should be following your own advice and preaching the gospel to the world?

Answer me this Jordan. For all the gripping about "liberals" and "socialists" and "marxists" what has changed? Has all this gripping done by others here day after day saved one soul? Has it led one person to Christ?

Or has it soured anyone that might be interested in Christ to what Christianity has become? What is the face of Christianity today? What message are we broadcasting to the world by taking part in it as if we belong to the world and keep acting exactly like the rest of world? Look around this board in the current events and politics forum. What do you see besides me doing something you don't like?

Do you see hypocrisy? Back biting? Name calling? Do you see divisions? Do you see hatred of other's being spread or the love of Christ? How is that helping to spread God's word? How is focusing on "liberals" and "socialists" and "marxists" and making derogatory statements about others we might disagree with ad infinitum helping to do anything but give the world ammunition to use against us?

Why are you singling me out? Am I giving Christ a black eye because I have been against greed in high places no matter which political party it comes from? Have I been giving Christ a bad name because I refuse to conform to the standards of many others here who have demanded it from me that have repeatedly broadcast their arrogance and their hatred for their political opposition inspite of Christ's teachings?

How is it that these people get a pass when they reveal their hatred arrogance and hypocrisy on a daily basis for all the world to see while I get singled out to be silenced by the same people?

What message is that broadcasting to the world?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Please explain why griping endlessly about "liberals" and "conservatives" while ignoring the root of the problem is practical.

And what is the root of the problem?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Attempt to derail thread reported to the mods at 1:17 EST.

Jordan is it possible for to stick to the topic and stop trying to make it all about me? Seeing as how you have not admonished other posters on this board who are guilty of the "same crime" of taking part in the political process (open debate) I can only assume that you are singling me out for your sermons and are actively trying to derail my threads.

If you wish to discuss the topic at hand then stick to the topic. I don't care to see another one of my threads devolve into a childish name calling match.

Now to answer your question what you said can be found by starting here . . . http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2109948&postcount=13 and here http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2109997&postcount=27 and here http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2109998&postcount=28

Everything I said pertains to the topic.

Sorry you don't seem to realize that.

 

[poncho]

Everything I said pertains to the topic.

Sorry you don't seem to realize that.

I have another question. Are you going to answer my other questions?

 

[poncho]

Everything I said pertains to the topic.

Sorry you don't seem to realize that.

What I realize is that you are singling me out because I do not live up to your "holier than thou" standards of conformity and you are trying to clothe yourself in God's righteousness to silence a person you do not agree with while ignoring what others here have done to drag Christ's name through the mud by creating divisions and displaying their arrogance hatred and hypocrisy here on a daily basis.

If you really believed in what you are preaching you would be taking everyone here to task instead of singling me out for your sermons.

Look around this forum Jordan. Notice how my threads almost always seem to get the most views? What does that tell you? It tells me two things Christians want to be informed beyond what the corporations allow them to know and Christians love to watch other Christians attack each other.

My threads have seen more combat between Christians in the last few years than Caesar fed to the lions and Christians love to watch the spectacle. What kind of message does that broadcast to the world? What kind of message is the world getting when all we do spew hatred for someone who doesn't agree with us? What kind of a message are we sending when widespread hypocrisy is ignored make that ACCEPTED! Because it is being used to silence one who some do not agree with? And these are the very same people who endless gripe about the "liberals" who use the exact same tactics and hypocrisy to try and silence them.

Far as I'm concerned Jordan. None of the people here who have been attacking me personally over the years because I have steadfastly refused to close my eyes and conform to this worldy system of division hatred and hypocrisy and apathy like they have done have a right to clothe themselves in God's righteousness to try and silence me after they have shown the world how deep their own hypocrisy runs.

Are you happy Jordan? You wanted to make this all about me and how I'm giving Christ a black eye by not acting like the "Christian" you think I should I be.

So I told you straight out. I don't not want to be a hypocrite. I don't think Christ would approve of it. I don't want to hate someone just because they differ with me politically. I don' think Christ would approve of it. I don't want to close my eyes and lay down and be silent while evil doers walk all over my brothers and sisters in Christ because I don't believe God gave me the spirit of cowardice. I refuse to lie to my brothers and sisters in Christ and try to make them conform to this worldly system of deception evil and corruption because I have. Because I have not!

You want to go preach the gospel? Fine. I'm not stopping you. I want to inform people of what's really happening in this world so they might be better prepared for what's coming their way if they don't quit acting like mice and start standing their ground against evil. I want their children to have a future in a free country and I will not use Christ as an excuse for being a coward. And if you don't like that well that's your problem Jordan.

Don't come at me like you're "holier than me" because you prefer to take the coward's route and stand aside while evil consumes the land and corrupts God's people. Read your bible a little closer and you might see it was never God's will that His people be enslaved by greedy psychopathic scumbags in high places and corrupt politicians in both parties who carry their water for them. It was never God's will and I refuse to let you or any other apathetic "holier than thou" sermonizer get away with spreading that myth without calling you on it.

You and people like you are the reason evil has been spreading at such a quickening pace. It's not because it's "God's will" as you'd prefer everyone believe, it's because it's your will.

You want me to give you something practical? Ok here's some practical advice. Grow a backbone and stand up for what's right and what's good instead of taking sides with hypocrites hate mongers and those who only know how to create divisions like you are now.

 

[Revmitchell]

my point is that Christians make a huge deal about politics, we rail against the evils of politics, we gripe and gripe about Obama this Obama that, and Christians get so focused on politics that they get distracted from what really has the power to change all these things: The Gospel message.

You know I see this claim made all the time but it is just not true. It is not an either or scenario. And quite frankly I would love to see folks like you provide evidence of your claim.

 

[poncho]

This message is hidden because Revmitchell is on your ignore list.

 

[Zaac]

You know I see this claim made all the time but it is just not true. It is not an either or scenario. And quite frankly I would love to see folks like you provide evidence of your claim.

It's made all the time because it's the truth. If folks on this board and in the church cared as much about folks on the way to hell as they do about politics and protecting their stuff, then the world would be on fire in revival.

The evidence of the truthfulness of his claim is as evident in every church as it is on this board. Those who have made politics into a god will naturally deny it.

 

[InTheLight]

This message is hidden because Revmitchell is on your ignore list.

That list must be getting crowded. LOL!

 

[InTheLight]

It's made all the time because it's the truth. If folks on this board and in the church cared as much about folks on the way to hell as they do about politics and protecting their stuff, then the world would be on fire in revival.

I agree. As to evidence, just look at the sorry state of the church in the US these days.

 

[poncho]

It's made all the time because it's the truth. If folks on this board and in the church cared as much about folks on the way to hell as they do about politics and protecting their stuff, then the world would be on fire in revival.

The evidence of the truthfulness of his claim is as evident in every church as it is on this board. Those who have made politics into a god will naturally deny it.

What the evidence shows Zaac is that you spend just as much time here sermonizing the folks talking politics as they do talking politics.

So . . . Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I never said "there's nothing we can do about it"

my point is that Christians make a huge deal about politics, we rail against the evils of politics, we gripe and gripe about Obama this Obama that, and Christians get so focused on politics that they get distracted from what really has the power to change all these things: The Gospel message.

You cannot reform unregenerate men with politics, the only hope any nation has is for Spiritual Revival and to turn back to God.

I did not say that a Christian should not get involved in Politics, I'm merely stating that the focus of Christians should mainly be on the Gospel.

I mean Poncho you seem so patriotic, But really what is posting a the BB really gonna do for the state of this world?

Come on, Jesus told his Church to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature, Not go into all the BB and preach conspiracy theories and politics.

Politics are proper in their place, but unless you are a politician or are actually involved with politics, then your focus needs to be the Gospel.

Tell me again Poncho what you are actually doing to change these things you seem to always rant and rave about?

Give me something practical?

I think you and I share the same perspective. I think of myself as having two passports. I love the blue one because it represents freedom. But the gold one is priceless. It isn't printed on paper but rather on my heart. IOt's my passport to the Kingdom of God which exists here on earth but won't be perfected until we reach heaven. I feel that we as Christians should take a moral stand on issues but should NEVER be absolutely identified with any politician or political party. In my view, Southern Baptists have done great harm to Christ's Church by identifying with the Republican party. If this were done with the Democratic party I'd say the same thing about it but I don't see that happening. There's an unholy alliance between the Southern Baptist church and the Republican party that must be broken.

 

[FollowTheWay]

You know I see this claim made all the time but it is just not true. It is not an either or scenario. And quite frankly I would love to see folks like you provide evidence of your claim.

In terms of what guides your life it is an either or situation. No man can serve two masters. We all need to choose who we will follow, a political party or Jesus. Jesus said love your neighbor and even your enemy. Do you really believe that's what the Republican party preaches? They are a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[poncho]

In terms of what guides your life it is an either or situation. No man can serve two masters. We all need to choose who we will follow, a political party or Jesus. Jesus said love your neighbor and even your enemy. Do you really believe that's what the Republican party preaches? They are a bunch of hypocrites.

I have to tell you I agree the republican party is full of hypocrites. But so is the democratic party and even more so.

Jesus said love your neighbor. Democrats have turned that into "this is a stick up give me your money so I can give it to your neighbor". Quote me the chapter and verse where Jesus says stealing from one to give to another is love or charity.

If you're gonna keep dragging Jesus down to your level at least be clever about it.

The bible says "thou shalt not murder" and "thou shalt not steal" both of which the democratic party excels at. Why are you "yoked" to it in spite of the clear teaching of the bible?

The more I think about it the more I question why Christians would even belong to a political party. I believe they are nothing but a stumbling block anymore. We join them and they corrupt us. Instead of thinking in terms of what's right and what's wrong we start thinking in terms of we have to defeat the other side because "they're all idiots" or what not.

The only thing political parties are good at is causing division in a time when we really should to be united. Which character in the bible loves to cause division?

Jordan brought up spiritual warfare a couple posts back, I think. Nowhere is it more evident the devil is winning that battle than right here watching all you democrats and republicans go after each other day after day after day and then some. Yessir.

We are fighting a spiritual battle all right but we're fighting it on the enemies terms. It doesn't take four stars on your shoulder to figure out you don't win wars that way and if it does then we must be dumber than a box of rocks.

But hey, there's nothing we can do about it. Evidently it's God's will that we should all act like idiots while the enemy divides and conquers us.

 

[Inspector Javert]

You know I see this claim made all the time but it is just not true. It is not an either or scenario. And quite frankly I would love to see folks like you provide evidence of your claim.

I agree. My general policy is that anytime you hear any pious sermons based essentially around:
"Is this what the Church is supposed to be doing/ while there are lost people needing the gospel the Church is worried about ________"
You need to be suspicious already, because at least 75% of the time you should smell a big fat commie rat, or alternatively, someone about to push a Liberal Theology.

What they are really looking for is for God's people to just shut-up about something they don't want to hear condemned.

Not so with Jordan here, but, with some others I think we could name this faux deep and all-consuming obsession with "reaching the lost, and not worrying about______" is paragraph 1 for a load of crap.