"There is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible." A powerful quote by our Board member, JD731.

[Alan Dale Gross]

There is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible.

This, beyond anything else said by you, or anyone else on the Board, or BY ANYONE anywhere in the whole World, is an extremely POWERFUL statement.

And the God Who Superintended over His Words being Preserved there has received this HIGH LEVEL OF BELIEF AS WORSHIP, you can be sure. He is very Pleased when His People believe His Word and this is God's Word. We all better believe that. It is one of the greatest blessings in this life, to know that we can be sure WE HAVE GOD'S WORD IN OUR HANDS AND WHAT WE HOLD IN OUR HAND IS GOD'S WORD.

And since God's Word tell us about WHO HE IS,
GOD HAS MAGNIFIED HIS WORD ABOVE ALL HIS NAME.

"I will worship toward thy Holy Temple, and praise Thy Name for thy Lovingkindness and for Thy Truth: for Thou hast Magnified Thy Word above All Thy Name." Psalm 138:2.

Not only is there safety in believing the words of the King James Bible, it is the perfect place, comparatively speaking, along with the other Providentially Preserved family of reliable Bible Manuscripts, to reference every verse from other publications whose authors and proponents all profess dogmatically that they don't believe we have God's Word in a Volume or a Book, but that it might be contained in the various collections of original language manuscripts, somewhere and so they are going to try to keep looking for it for us......

But, God didn't have a plan whereby His Word would one day need to be reconstructed by the thumb twiddling, navel-gazing fickle of self-absorbed, sin-cursed man's carnality, who had the bright idea to treat its 'translation' like that of any other book, while in the process ignoring its Author.

You have a Message for them, today!!!

There is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible.

 

[John of Japan]

This, beyond anything else said by you, or anyone else on the Board, or BY ANYONE anywhere in the whole World, is an extremely POWERFUL statement.

Fact alert: the KJV is an English Bible, and there are billions of people in the world who do not speak English. Therefore, "in the whole World" is not factual.

In fact, there are billions of people in the world who do not have access to any Bible translated from the texts of the KJV: Masoretic OT and TR NT. Mark Twain has been quoted as saying, "Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it." I would change that to "Everyone talks about the KJV, but no one does anything about it.

 

[Salty]

Not only is there safety in believing the words of the King James Bible,

May I rephrase! Not only is there safety in believing the words of the(snip) Bible,

 

[Tea]

Indeed, there's safety in believing in the words of the KJV. That's also true of the NKJV, NASB, ESV, CSB, NIV, and so on.

I can't say the same of some of the others, such as The Message or Passion Translation.

 

[Ascetic X]

I prefer the King James Version.

But I think it is beneficial to also read other versions, because they can give us a fresh nuance or angle on verses we might be overly familiar with. Even the Message, Amplified Bible, NIV, Cotton Patch, Jewish Study Bible, and First Nations versions can be useful in this way.

I like Bible Hub online. I presents a variety of translations for a specific verse, plus original language text, similar verses, and commentaries.

Bible Hub: Search, Read, Study the Bible in Many Languages

Online Bible Study Suite. Topical, Greek and Hebrew study tools, plus concordances, commentaries, sermons and devotionals.

biblehub.com

 

[Logos1560]

Is there safety in believing the words of any and every edition of the KJV?

Is there actual safety in believing any errors in KJV editions to be true and not errors?

Exodus 20:14

Thou shalt commit adultery {1631 London KJV edition}

 

[Charlie24]

Fact alert: the KJV is an English Bible, and there are billions of people in the world who do not speak English. Therefore, "in the whole World" is not factual.

In fact, there are billions of people in the world who do not have access to any Bible translated from the texts of the KJV: Masoretic OT and TR NT. Mark Twain has been quoted as saying, "Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it." I would change that to "Everyone talks about the KJV, but no one does anything about it.

I may become the laughing stock of BB after this, but I've often wondered something.

The KJV has been translated in several hundreds of languages and distributed around the world.

Christ said, the Gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.

If by chance the KJV is what many claim, God's official word for the world, is it possible the distribution of the KJV to the world is the measure of the end?

Not saying it is, just have wondered on it many times.

 

[Van]

The very idea that the KJV, or one of them, is "the official word for the world" is a fiction conjured by provincialism.

There is safety in setting our course and sticking to it. We are to study to show ourselves approved, accurately handling God's word to the best of our understanding.

 

[Charlie24]

The very idea that the KJV, or one of them, is "the official word for the world" is a fiction conjured by provincialism.

There is safety in setting our course and sticking to it. We are to study to show ourselves approved, accurately handling God's word to the best of our understanding.

I won't argue, just something that keeps coming to mind over and over.

 

[JD731]

I may become the laughing stock of BB after this, but I've often wondered something.

The KJV has been translated in several hundreds of languages and distributed around the world.

Christ said, the Gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.

If by chance the KJV is what many claim, God's official word for the world, is it possible the distribution of the KJV to the world is the measure of the end?

Not saying it is, just have wondered on it many times.

Charlie24, please understand that Jesus Christ was not preaching the gospel of the grace of God or the gospel of salvation. Notice the precision of the words.

Your quote:
Christ said, the Gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.

Biblical Quote
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Gospel means good news, glad tidings.

This gospel is not the good news, glad tidings that Jesus Christ has died for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead. Jesus himself was the first to preach it here;

Mt 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; 13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; 16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. 17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

This was the beginning of the ministry of Jesus on the earth and I will post a verse or two from the end of his ministry.

Mr 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

Most people who post here worship at the shrine of intellectualism. They follow the logic of those who write the books and never ask the question why did these disciples preach and minister with Jesus Christ for 3 years and not know anything about the eventuality of Jesus being killed and rise from the dead.

They will not consider that Jesus Christ came to establish his kingdom and this should have been good news for the nation and people of Israel.

Mk 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

The gospel of the kingdom has only been preached to Israel during the days of the ministry of Jesus Christ and was rejected by them. In the tribulation time this prophecy of it being preached in all the world will be realized. It is a future event.

One must believe the words and use logic and reason, rightly dividing the word of God.

The gospel of the kingdom was off the table for this generation after Matthew 12 because of the rejection of Jesus Christ by their national rulers.

 

[John of Japan]

I may become the laughing stock of BB after this, but I've often wondered something.

The KJV has been translated in several hundreds of languages and distributed around the world.

Christ said, the Gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.

If by chance the KJV is what many claim, God's official word for the world, is it possible the distribution of the KJV to the world is the measure of the end?

Not saying it is, just have wondered on it many times.

Actually, I don't believe that the KJV has been translated into hundreds of languages. That has been claimed but never proven by KJVO writers There are Bible translations in many languages where the KJV has been consulted in the translation work, but there are very few where the KJV was the actual source text. Even today, many KJVO translators use the TR as the source text rather than the actual KJV.

For example, I refer you to the works of translation consultant Dr. Steve Combs. He wrote, "I believe the KJB is the Word of God without error" (A Practical Theology of Bible Translating, The Old Paths Publications, 2019, p. 35). He has actually written a Greek grammar designed to be a help for KJVO missionary translators, The Translator's Greek Grammar of the Textus Receptus (Old Paths, 2021). He is under Global Bible Translators (www.bpsglobal.org).

 

[JD731]

Actually, I don't believe that the KJV has been translated into hundreds of languages. That has been claimed but never proven by KJVO writers There are Bible translations in many languages where the KJV has been consulted in the translation work, but there are very few where the KJV was the actual source text. Even today, many KJVO translators use the TR as the source text rather than the actual KJV.

For example, I refer you to the works of translation consultant Dr. Steve Combs. He wrote, "I believe the KJB is the Word of God without error" (A Practical Theology of Bible Translating, The Old Paths Publications, 2019, p. 35). He has actually written a Greek grammar designed to be a help for KJVO missionary translators, The Translator's Greek Grammar of the Textus Receptus (Old Paths, 2021). He is under Global Bible Translators (www.bpsglobal.org).

I must agree with you on this. It is my opinion that translations into other languages should be from the original language manuscripts.

 

[John of Japan]

Let me give the example of the first complete Japanese translation, called the Motoyaku Bible (元訳聖書). It was ostensibly done from the KJV because the one missionary who was a Greek scholar, Nathan Brown, left the team when they would not translate baptisma (βάπτισμα) as "immerse" since he was a Baptist. The translators who were left didn't know Greek that well, so they ostensibly translated from the KJV. However, they were influenced by the critical text (probably Tischendorf) so that there were some renderings which were not from the traditional texts. So the first actual translation from the TR was the Nagai in 1928. However, Pastor Nagai used classical Japanese, which was very hard to read. The first ever NT from the TR in modern Japanese was the Lifeline Japanese NT, published several years ago.

Remember that there was no real KJVO movement until 1970 (from my own research). Therefore, until then Bible translators didn't worry about being totally faithful to the KJV. Sure, the KJV served as a source text sometimes, but there was not that urgency to be totally true to it, as witness the Motoyaku mentioned above.

Let me add that even if the KJV is the source text, that does not guarantee that the translation will be absolutely faithful to the KJV. Languages are too different in semantics (word meaning) and syntax (sentence structure) for that. For example, there is no future tense in Japanese. None!! So you have to translate the Greek or English future with a Japanese present, perhaps with a helping word. The first modern Japanese Bible, the Kogoyaku, made the mistake of translating the future with a Japanese subjunctive structure, meaning that, for example, Acts 1:11 had the angel saying, "This same Jesus...may come back...."

 

[Salty]

Its too bad Americans are not more knowledgeable in other languages - then they might understand the trial of translation.

In fact, I wonder how Europeans view Bible translations -l mention Europe as 28% of Europeans can speak two foreign languages, and 10% can speak three or more. These numbers demonstrate that multilingualism is not only common in Europe but is also considered an asset for personal, social, and professional development.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

said by you, or anyone else on the Board, or BY ANYONE anywhere in the whole World

People from around the World can say what they want, but there a few things more true than the O.P.;

"There is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible."​

Fact alert: the KJV is an English Bible, and there are billions of people in the world who do not speak English. Therefore, "in the whole World" is not factual.

Anyone anywhere around the whole World can generally speaking say whatever they want and those from around the World who specifically read English can speak in English about an English Bible, which is implied to all literate, literary English language literature readers.

The Generality 'whole World' verses the Specific use of the specific book and the people where the language is implied is a General/Specific Argument and amounts to nothing. It certainly doesn't make one 'FACT' AND THE OTHER 'NOT'. Sorry caps. It just leaves us back where we started.

In fact, there are billions of people in the world who do not have access to any Bible translated from the texts of the KJV: Masoretic OT and TR NT.

If you did, do you think they know God's Word when they see it?

The succession of English Bibles* that claimed to have been practicing the Doctrine of the Preservation of the Bible are distinguishable from those whose claim was that the Bible had been lost and had to be reconstructed, which has been disproven.

*and any number of other English Bibles and those of any other language, who hold to the Comparison of Manuscripts philosophy of translation, compared to those who can't be said to have, in their earliest conceptions, for the sake of honesty.

"Everyone talks about the KJV, but no one does anything about it.

Do people know what 'a sinner' is?

Do people know how God saves souls?

Does anyone have any idea what a church is?

Are Scripturally baptized?

If you could crawl in your lifetime to find the King James Bible, could you get saved as a sinner, learn exactly how God saves people, understand what a church is, and be Led to be Scripturally baptized, because they have had their soul Placed under the Eternal Word of God?

That's what you do with the King James Bible, you put it out there where The Holy Spirit can Employ its reading or hearing like it says;
Isaiah 55:11; "So shall My Word be that Goeth Forth Out of My Mouth: it shall not Return unto Me Void, but it shall Accomplish that which I Please, and it shall Prosper in the thing whereto I Sent it."

"For the Word of God is Quick, and Powerful, and Sharper than any two-edged sword, Piercing even to the Dividing Asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a Discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12.

 

[Charlie24]

Actually, I don't believe that the KJV has been translated into hundreds of languages. That has been claimed but never proven by KJVO writers There are Bible translations in many languages where the KJV has been consulted in the translation work, but there are very few where the KJV was the actual source text. Even today, many KJVO translators use the TR as the source text rather than the actual KJV.

For example, I refer you to the works of translation consultant Dr. Steve Combs. He wrote, "I believe the KJB is the Word of God without error" (A Practical Theology of Bible Translating, The Old Paths Publications, 2019, p. 35). He has actually written a Greek grammar designed to be a help for KJVO missionary translators, The Translator's Greek Grammar of the Textus Receptus (Old Paths, 2021). He is under Global Bible Translators (www.bpsglobal.org).

Yes, there is a great controversy since no one is controlling the printing of it.

Largely considered the domain of the public.

But my post was more/less a thought leaked out against my better judgment after the fact.

 

[Charlie24]

Charlie24, please understand that Jesus Christ was not preaching the gospel of the grace of God or the gospel of salvation. Notice the precision of the words.

Your quote:
Christ said, the Gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.

Biblical Quote
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Gospel means good news, glad tidings.

This gospel is not the good news, glad tidings that Jesus Christ has died for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead. Jesus himself was the first to preach it here;

Mt 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; 13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; 16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. 17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

This was the beginning of the ministry of Jesus on the earth and I will post a verse or two from the end of his ministry.

Mr 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

Most people who post here worship at the shrine of intellectualism. They follow the logic of those who write the books and never ask the question why did these disciples preach and minister with Jesus Christ for 3 years and not know anything about the eventuality of Jesus being killed and rise from the dead.

They will not consider that Jesus Christ came to establish his kingdom and this should have been good news for the nation and people of Israel.

Mk 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

The gospel of the kingdom has only been preached to Israel during the days of the ministry of Jesus Christ and was rejected by them. In the tribulation time this prophecy of it being preached in all the world will be realized. It is a future event.

One must believe the words and use logic and reason, rightly dividing the word of God.

The gospel of the kingdom was off the table for this generation after Matthew 12 because of the rejection of Jesus Christ by their national rulers.

Hello, JD! I don't think or can't remember us having conversation before, but my memory is not what it should be either.

Yes, I agree Christ came to offer the Kingdom of Heaven to the Jews only for them to fulfill their calling of God as His chosen people.

John the Baptist came teaching this Kingdom is in the midst, repent for the One who takes away the sins of the world is here.

They failed mainly by not recognizing they, just as the Gentiles needed to be saved.

That was an offer only to the Jews, but was not meant to be.

Long before Christ came man was saved by faith in the Blood of the Lamb represented in the Sacrificial System of the Law.

It had already been determined from before the foundation of the world Christ would die for the sins of the whole world.

The offer was made to Israel but they failed, but Paul said God is not finished with Israel and has not changed His mind on the calling of Israel.

They will yet fulfill that calling in the future during the Millennial reign of Christ on earth.

 

[John of Japan]

People from around the World can say what they want, but there a few things more true than the O.P.;

"There is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible."​

Anyone anywhere around the whole World can generally speaking say whatever they want and those from around the World who specifically read English can speak in English about an English Bible, which is implied to all literate, literary English language literature readers.

You missed the point, which is that there are billions of people in the world with no KJV or equivalent thereof.

The Generality 'whole World' verses the Specific use of the specific book and the people where the language is implied is a General/Specific Argument and amounts to nothing. It certainly doesn't make one 'FACT' AND THE OTHER 'NOT'. Sorry caps. It just leaves us back where we started.

Sorry, this goes right over my head. I can't tell what you are trying to say.

If you did, do you think they know God's Word when they see it?

Not germane.

The succession of English Bibles* that claimed to have been practicing the Doctrine of the Preservation of the Bible are distinguishable from those whose claim was that the Bible had been lost and had to be reconstructed, which has been disproven.

*and any number of other English Bibles and those of any other language, who hold to the Comparison of Manuscripts philosophy of translation, compared to those who can't be said to have, in their earliest conceptions, for the sake of honesty.

These statements have nothing to do with my point, which is about Bible translation, the KJV, and the mission fields of the world.

Do people know what 'a sinner' is?

Do people know how God saves souls?

Does anyone have any idea what a church is?

Are Scripturally baptized?

I really don't know what you are trying to say here. They can't know these things without a missionary. "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Rom. 10:14).

If you could crawl in your lifetime to find the King James Bible, could you get saved as a sinner, learn exactly how God saves people, understand what a church is, and be Led to be Scripturally baptized, because they have had their soul Placed under the Eternal Word of God?

But the whole point is that they have no Bible!!

That's what you do with the King James Bible, you put it out there where The Holy Spirit can Employ its reading or hearing like it says;
Isaiah 55:11; "So shall My Word be that Goeth Forth Out of My Mouth: it shall not Return unto Me Void, but it shall Accomplish that which I Please, and it shall Prosper in the thing whereto I Sent it."

"For the Word of God is Quick, and Powerful, and Sharper than any two-edged sword, Piercing even to the Dividing Asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a Discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12.

Again, most of the world, billions of people, have no Bible at all, much less a KJV equivalent (which actually does not exist, since the KJV is English).

 

[John of Japan]

Yes, there is a great controversy since no one is controlling the printing of it.

I'm not sure how this answers my post.

Largely considered the domain of the public.

There is a British crown copyright, but you are right that most consider the KJV to be public domain. The crown copyright doesn't apply to the USA, as far as I know.

But my post was more/less a thought leaked out against my better judgment after the fact.

I understand.

 

[Charlie24]

I'm not sure how this answers my post.

There is a British crown copyright, but you are right that most consider the KJV to be public domain.

I understand.

Well I guess it doesn't answer your question directly.

I said it in the tense of who knows how many are printing the KJV in other languages and shipping them over the world?

There's no official record of it being done.

I know that JSM (Jimmy Swaggart) has translated 8 languages in the KJV and ships them overseas to those countries.

How many similar JSM are there in this world doing this without official record of it?