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"There is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible." A powerful quote by our Board member, JD731.

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
It bothers me greatly when KJVO people concentrate on English and forget the Great Commission.
I'm not KJVO. Looks like my home church is supporting 25 Missionaries and have organized 40 churches. We're Missionary.
We need to get the Bible into every language in the world to fulfill the Great Commission.
The Trinitarian Bible Soceity shows where I count over 150 translations in foreign languages: TBS Translation Projects - Trinitarian Bible Society

They could probably use your support.

I don't understand what you mean by this.
I never was saying that it is their opinion of the King James Bible from anyone around the World that they would be speaking about, but that if anyone had anything to say on any subject, they'd be hard-pressed to come of with a more true and God-honoring statement of faith than;

"There is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible."​

 
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John of Japan

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I'm not KJVO. Looks like my home church is supporting 25 Missionaries and have organized 40 churches. We're Missionary.

The Trinitarian Bible Soceity shows where I count over 150 translations in foreign languages: TBS Translation Projects - Trinitarian Bible Society

They could probably use your support.
I am friends with their American representative, a truly blessed Bible translator, currently working as a consultant on five different missionary translations. He was the lead translator on the Mongolian Bible.

The TBS has for years given free TR New Testaments to our Greek students, and I appreciate that. However, we are informally involved with a different Bible translation ministry.
I never was saying that it is their opinion of the King James Bible from anyone around the World that they would be speaking about, but that if anyone had anything to say on any subject, they'd be hard-pressed to come of with a more true and God-honoring statement of faith than;

"There is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible."​

Okay.
 

Charlie24

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This, beyond anything else said by you, or anyone else on the Board, or BY ANYONE anywhere in the whole World, is an extremely POWERFUL statement.

And the God Who Superintended over His Words being Preserved there has received this HIGH LEVEL OF BELIEF AS WORSHIP, you can be sure. He is very Pleased when His People believe His Word and this is God's Word. We all better believe that. It is one of the greatest blessings in this life, to know that we can be sure WE HAVE GOD'S WORD IN OUR HANDS AND WHAT WE HOLD IN OUR HAND IS GOD'S WORD.

And since God's Word tell us about WHO HE IS,
GOD HAS MAGNIFIED HIS WORD ABOVE ALL HIS NAME.

"I will worship toward thy Holy Temple, and praise Thy Name for thy Lovingkindness and for Thy Truth: for Thou hast Magnified Thy Word above All Thy Name." Psalm 138:2.

Not only is there safety in believing the words of the King James Bible, it is the perfect place, comparatively speaking, along with the other Providentially Preserved family of reliable Bible Manuscripts, to reference every verse from other publications whose authors and proponents all profess dogmatically that they don't believe we have God's Word in a Volume or a Book, but that it might be contained in the various collections of original language manuscripts, somewhere and so they are going to try to keep looking for it for us......

But, God didn't have a plan whereby His Word would one day need to be reconstructed by the thumb twiddling, navel-gazing fickle of self-absorbed, sin-cursed man's carnality, who had the bright idea to treat its 'translation' like that of any other book, while in the process ignoring its Author.

You have a Message for them, today!!!

I've used the KJV all of my life, never using another version.

I agree there is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible.
 

Scarlett O.

Moderator
Moderator
I've used the KJV all of my life, never using another version.

I agree there is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible.
There's nothing wrong with reading the King James Bible. It's a good Bible, although, not perfect. Nothing is "perfect" except the originals.

It's not my own Bible of choice, but no skin off my back if it is someone else's. Read it daily and read it in peace. :)

Here's why I don't use it primarily anymore. I teach the Bible.

[1] To kindergarteners every summer at church
[2] To 6th graders at the Christian school where I taught
[3] To the old ladies at church {ages 65-99} who are now all with the Lord.....and now I'm the old lady.
[4] And now to my peers.
Because I teach I use good and reputable versions that are easier to teach and learn from. The NKJV, ESV, NIV, or NLT.

For example, if I am teaching in Romans 12 and get to verse 9 - Here it is in the King James: "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good."

I have three college degrees. Three. And I have to break down the word dissimulation to its root parts to understand that it means fakeness or not real. My students, no matter their age, shouldn't have to do that. Most can't.

Here's the same verse in other reputable versions.

NKJV = "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good."
ESV = "Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good."
NIV = "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good."
NLT = "Don't just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good. "

Read the King James or another good one. Just read.​
 

Scarlett O.

Moderator
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Is that not the job of a student?
No wonder our children are failing. We don’t expect them to do anything that constitutes learning.
For 32 years in the public/charter classroom and for 4 years in the Christian classroom, you had better believe that I expected MUCH from my students. And got it out of them.

Could you, at the age of 10 have dissected the word "dissimulation" and determined it to mean hypocrisy?

Our students are NOT, NOT ALL failing. Some are. Some are NOT. I'll never understand this mindset of Christians towards school teachers. Never.
 

Ben1445

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For 32 years in the public/charter classroom and for 4 years in the Christian classroom, you had better believe that I expected MUCH from my students. And got it out of them.

Could you, at the age of 10 have dissected the word "dissimulation" and determined it to mean hypocrisy?

Our students are NOT, NOT ALL failing. Some are. Some are NOT. I'll never understand this mindset of Christians towards school teachers. Never.
In a round about way yes. Dissecting the Latin at ten? Most in my school were just learning the Latin roots. (As I think about it, I was as learning them at nine.) But probably not. But I knew how to use a dictionary. So yes. I could figure it out. When I was younger, I asked questions and found answers. And yes. At ten I had the intelligence enough to be a student.
I have put five years of my past into teaching. As a teacher I will never understand why teachers get so touchy about students not doing what they are capable of.
 

Ben1445

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In a round about way yes. Dissecting the Latin at ten? Most in my school were just learning the Latin roots. (As I think about it, I was as learning them at nine.) But probably not. But I knew how to use a dictionary. So yes. I could figure it out. When I was younger, I asked questions and found answers. And yes. At ten I had the intelligence enough to be a student.
I have put five years of my past into teaching. As a teacher I will never understand why teachers get so touchy about students not doing what they are capable of.
Also, when we now live in a world where many can say “hey google, what does dissimulation mean?”
No! I have no tolerance for people who have perpetual ignorance as their motto.
No need to type it in a search engine, no technical expertise required to know the order of the alphabet to use a sophisticated antiquated dictionary, just speak and let the internet do your work. There is no excuse for today’s generation not to be able to figure out the meaning of a word.
Parents, pastors, school teachers, Sunday school teachers, other adults in church, deacons, internet, books, etc… there is almost no end to the places a child can turn for help.
Or they could just keep narrowing their vocabulary.
The children of the Middle Ages, the Dark Ages, had a far more extensive vocabulary than adults do today.
We have more opportunities and less resolve.
I hope this helps you understand why some Christians have an issue with modern education.
I don’t know you really or any of your students to be able to evaluate your quality of teaching. I don’t really want to do that anyway. I’m just really tired of hearing people say that education is to difficult to teach.
Instead of teaching information to students, teachers should be teaching students how to get information.
I had terrible teachers who quite literally taught my class from the tests so that we would all get good grades. The only place that some of us learned to get information from was from the teacher who more or less did the cheating for the students and gave them the answers straight from the tests.
There are a lot more things involved in teaching than what is generally thought of. I know. I’ve dealt with the “Christian” parents who want A+ children without making them do the work.
If you want to take my comments personally, I am not there to stop you. I just want teachers to stop deciding what is too difficult for students to understand before they give it to them.
We are able to digest meat by reason of use. You don’t get the experience of use by eating vegan burgers. You don’t get the experience of use by drinking milk. It’s necessary to eat the meat. The first week or more of those meals will seem useless. The same goes for information. It seems to go in one ear and out the other. But some of it will stick. Eventually, enough will stick to build on and they can begin to grow. But it requires feeding. And the, “they can’t handle big words” attitude is the reason why they can’t handle big words. They are never given the opportunity to use them.
 

John of Japan

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Go read Shakespeare.
Personally, I've read Shakespeare. Took two 3 credit college courses and got straight A's. Acted in a Shakespearean play. The language of Shakespeare is not more extensive than the language of "A Christmas Carol," which my church is acting in an hour from now. (I'm a "charity solicitor.") Shakespeare might be said to be an older dialect of English, but that doesn't make it better.
 

Ben1445

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Personally, I've read Shakespeare. Took two 3 credit college courses and got straight A's. Acted in a Shakespearean play. The language of Shakespeare is not more extensive than the language of "A Christmas Carol," which my church is acting in an hour from now. (I'm a "charity solicitor.") Shakespeare might be said to be an older dialect of English, but that doesn't make it better.
I’m not saying it’s better. There are undeniable influences of other languages into English. There is little comparison to English before Latin and Germanic language influences into our own language.
I acknowledge my exaggeration.
My point is that generally speaking, technology has a great vocabulary and people usually don’t. Even with access to information, little effort is put forward by a large amount of people to make use of the information inside the technology. It doesn’t make a person any smarter to have access to the internet than it does to have an extensive private library that can rival a public library. If the resources are not used, the people are still not smarter.
Access to information is not to be equated with human intelligence.
 

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
Christ said, the Gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.
The 'End' Jesus was referring to was the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Nothing He said there had any reference to the End of the World, which was what He began talking about later in Matthew 24:35 and following.

If by chance the KJV is what many claim, God's official word for the world, is it possible the distribution of the KJV to the world is the measure of the end?
No. And no, no one knows the day nor hour.

So, the King James is not the End Times 'Methuselah'.


In the tribulation time this prophecy of it being preached in all the world will be realized.
The Gospel as described in I Corinthians 15:1-4; "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the Gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
was preached in all the World, to the extent that it is actually referring to it there, during Jesus' Ministry and in the years following His Ascension, leading up to the Desolation of Abomination spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, which took place in A.D. 70, as we know.

It is a future event.
No, the known World immediately around Jerusalem was evangelized with the Gospel, prior to it's destruction in A.D. 70.
 

Charlie24

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The 'End' Jesus was referring to was the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Nothing He said there had any reference to the End of the World, which was what He began talking about later in Matthew 24:35 and following.


No. And no, no one knows the day nor hour.

So, the King James is not the End Times 'Methuselah'.



The Gospel as described in I Corinthians 15:1-4; "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the Gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
was preached in all the World, to the extent that it is actually referring to it there, during Jesus' Ministry and in the years following His Ascension, leading up to the Desolation of Abomination spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, which took place in A.D. 70, as we know.


No, the known World immediately around Jerusalem was evangelized with the Gospel, prior to it's destruction in A.D. 70.

I see no spiritual Kingdom that Christ is ruling. 70 ad is a myth at best.

John said those who overcome He will give the power to rule with a rod of iron when He comes.

Evil will not prevail during His rule on earth.

I surly don't see that taking place.
 

Ben1445

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Why? Shakespeare is not Middle ages, or Dark ages. Shakespeare is Early Modern English. William Tyndale 1526 is Early Modern English.

Wycliffe is medieval English and Anglo-Saxon might be considered Dark Ages.
Middle Ages are generally accepted as ending around 1500. 26 years? The kids were probably not running around screaming 6 7. Maybe something else as dumb?
Most people don’t read Shakespeare. If a group of people who should be studying texts based on translations of 2000 year old+ manuscripts are not in the upper percentile of readers, then we are in trouble.
I don’t expect that anyone here are having trouble using a dictionary. I was told that kids, who should know how to use tools of language, should not be expected to be able to understand words because of their length or scarcity of use, or for any other reason not specified, I find it ridiculous.
We aren’t smarter. We have smarter tools that only a handful of people can maintain.
But I suppose if everyone is happy with the modern state of education (rely on the power grid to power the dictionary, aka google) I will stop calling educational excellence mediocre.
 
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