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Thinking about the Atonement or Reconciliation

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Yeshua1

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JonC said:
No. I am not. Like a "sheep led to the slaughter".

No one took His life except He gave it willingly. And it was by God's predetermined plan. Some like to forget, though, that He died not by the hand of God but by the hands "of wicked men".

We can't leave any of that out. We also should not add to it.
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Jesus died in the ultimate sense due the predestined plan of God the father, which the Godhead agreed upon from eternity past!
 
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MB

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JonC said:
No. I am not. Like a "sheep led to the slaughter".

No one took His life except He gave it willingly. And it was by God's predetermined plan. Some like to forget, though, that He died not by the hand of God but by the hands "of wicked men".

We can't leave any of that out. We also should not add to it.
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A men this is true. One of my neighbors accused a Jewish neighbor on the other side of me of being a Christ killer I told him we are all Christ killers because of our sins, In order to save any he had to die for us first.
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JonC

JonC

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Yeshua1 said:
So you see wrath of God, but that the father could not do that on Jesus?
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Exactly. Scripture tells us this. It is an abomination of God to condemn the righteous, God's wrath is never upon the righteous, and Christ is God's Righteous One.

It is not a matter of reasoning or interpretation. It is a simple matter of believing Scripture regardless of one's theology. Whatever the righteous experience it is never God's wrath. Whatever Christ suffered it was not God's wrath.
 
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Yeshua1

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JonC said:
Exactly. Scripture tells us this. It is an abomination of God to condemn the righteous, God's wrath is never upon the righteous, and Christ is God's Righteous One.

It is not a matter of reasoning or interpretation. It is a simple matter of believing Scripture regardless of one's theology. Whatever the righteous experience it is never God's wrath. Whatever Christ suffered it was not God's wrath.
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The wrath of God is poured out upon lost sinners in judgement, and since jesus is our sin bearer in our stead, why would he not suffer that deserved wrath we would be getting?
 
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