THIS is an Essentisl Tool for all KJVO to have and use now

[robycop3]

The 1828 Webster Dictionary will give to you what the Kjv terms and words chosen by the 1611 translators meant in their time, not the current understanding in english, so very valuable to avoid misunderstanding g the bible

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Bible

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Bible

webstersdictionary1828.com

See especially the 1000 words that have changed their meanings from bacjk then to today when used in 1611 Kjv

The BEST method is simply to use a MODERN Bible translation, in current language !

 

[Salty]

The BEST method is simply to use a MODERN Bible translation, in current language !

And I prefer the language known as "Americian"!

 

[Ben1445]

I’d like everyone to get the “Message.”
I’m speaking sober truth to you. I speak only of what I know by experience; I give witness only to what I have seen with my own eyes.

Or translated into good English,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen;

I think it is good to have a good dictionary and use it.
I think that we would be far better off if we went up a bit in our vocabulary.
Nobody explains it better than a comedian.

 

[robycop3]

I’d like everyone to get the “Message.”
I’m speaking sober truth to you. I speak only of what I know by experience; I give witness only to what I have seen with my own eyes.

Or translated into good English,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen;

I think it is good to have a good dictionary and use it.
I think that we would be far better off if we went up a bit in our vocabulary.
Nobody explains it better than a comedian.

Taking time to consult a dictionary while reading Scripture distracts the reader from his/her Scripture study.

 

[Salty]

Taking time to consult a dictionary while reading Scripture distracts the reader from his Scripture study. (edited to conform to L.E.F.T.)

I dont think so - it can add to the study. In addition, you may compare it to another Scripture, ect.

 

[JesusFan]

The BEST method is simply to use a MODERN Bible translation, in current language !

True, but if they wish to keep using the Kjv, that Webster dictionary would be an essential study tool for them to be using

 

[JesusFan]

I dont think so - it can add to the study. In addition, you may compare it to another Scripture, ect.

Its functions in English pretty much same way for them that the Hebrew and Greek lexicons for us would

 

[Ben1445]

Taking time to consult a dictionary while reading Scripture distracts the reader from his/her Scripture study.

Are you reading or studying?
I can see that stopping your reading is potentially disruptive, but study is more than reading through.
Study involves a mind searching out a thought instead of eyes following words on paper to lead to conclusions.
You might as well never check a cross reference because it will distract.

 

[Ben1445]

True, but if they wish to keep using the Kjv, that Webster dictionary would be an essential study tool for them to be using

Especially when the last definition listed is now the primary use and the primary definition or use of the word is now rarely used.

 

[JD731]

Taking time to consult a dictionary while reading Scripture distracts the reader from his/her Scripture study.

Dictionaries do not help (snip). I was conversing once on forums like this with someone who believed in limited atonement. That is the doctrine that the death of Jesus Christ did not atone for all but for a limited and very small number of sinners. This led me to opine that according to Romans 5:6 Christ died for the ungodly. To my surprise I learned that day that the word "ungodly" was a limiter in this application and in this person's dictionary. The elect only are the ungodly, they taught, even after the apostle had said there is none righteous, no not one. I understood at this point that, though I had not lost the war, that I had definitely lost the battle with this person. Our dictionaries did not match.

Ro 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

 

[David Lamb]

I dont think so - it can add to the study. In addition, you may compare it to another Scripture, ect.

Agreed, but first, you need to know that it is necessary to look up a particular word in a dictionary. A number of words and phrases have completely changed their meanings since the KJV translation was made. Why should we look up things like "prevent", "fetched a compass," and "carriages?" We might end up completely misunderstanding such words and phrases by applying their current meanings.

 

[Salty]

David - one great resource is Blue Bible

 

[David Lamb]

David - one great resource is Blue Bible

Yes, I have come across the Blue Letter Bible before. It seems very useful. Thanks.

 

[JD731]

Taking time to consult a dictionary while reading Scripture distracts the reader from his/her Scripture study.

The command is to STUDY to show thyself approved unto God. I think God means to study the scriptures. If he does the meaning of his words are in the scriptures, hidden only to the natural man. If this is not true then how could God, with the same words, reveal his mind to one while with the same words purposely hide it from another? Isn't that exactly what he says he does?

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (this is the key)
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (natural men receive only the human side of things)
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

The guilt of the charge he is making in this chapter is exactly to the Bible translators into many different translations in the same language. I think you are guilty.


1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

These 10 verses seems to say exactly the opposite of what you say. You seem to be striving for more excellent words that are easier to read while Paul distinctly says it is impossible to understand the words except the Spirit who is in both you and God at the same time teaches you. Not only this but he says he will choose the words. This makes sense to me that he would choose the words and this practice is consistent throughout the whole Bible. All our understanding is based on the words and how we understand them. Obviously we do not judge them the same way.

If you were making an argument for two or three translations over time it would be one thing but you are making an argument for hundreds and hundreds with no end in sight plus for paraphrases and for dynamic equivalence.