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This is an ugly political race
- Thread starter Don
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Agreed. This is how obama has won every election to get to where he is now. Which is pointed out in another thread. This is his Modus Operandi.
Romney needs to play hardball if he really believes the soul of America is at stake. His Super Pacs need to go for the jugular if they really believe the soul of America is at stake.
The GOP needs to throughly vet obama, which was not done by either the GOP or McCain in 2008, let alone the Democratic party.
The sealed obama records need to come out. Obama is an imposter, not Constitutionally legal to be POTUS, which is why he spent millions of dollars to keep those records sealed, IMO.
But above all, the GOP and all concerned patriotic citizens who love this country and this Constitution, need to be prepared with a plan at the ready in case obama decides to pull Martial Law and either postpone the election or inauguration.
I am talking to people I know, average citizens, average working people and the realization is hitting people in different times and different places that this is a possibility that our nation has never known or believed could happen, that this is what obama intends to do.
I predicted back in 2008 that obama will be the last president of the USA. In my heart of hearts, I truly believe he has never had any intention of leaving the WH once he moved in. I hope I am wrong.
saturneptune
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On this one, I am going to disagree with everyone. Yes, I believe each party and candidate should be aggressive on the ISSUES. There is no place for the trash that is being thrown back and forth that has nothing to do with the state of the nation. This is a decision we must make to fill the most powerful position in the world. The office of the Presidency should be a respected institution. The issues should be debated within the framework of respect for each other.
The ad connecting Romney with the death of the wife of a former employee is the lowest I have ever seen. This country is faced with Social Security and Medicare going bankrupt, and out of control national debt, no immigration policy, energy problems, crumbling infrastructures, cutting national defense, national security, gun control, aboriton, gay rights, a general decline in morality, plus many many more issues. Are we talking about that? No, we are talking about Bain, releasing medical records, releasing school records, off shore bank accounts, fake birth certificates, etc, etc, etc. This is the quality of the two running against each other.
Three hundred million Americans, some quite talented leaders, and we pick these two? Maybe it is exactly what we deserve, and a reflection of us.
The ad connecting Romney with the death of the wife of a former employee is the lowest I have ever seen. This country is faced with Social Security and Medicare going bankrupt, and out of control national debt, no immigration policy, energy problems, crumbling infrastructures, cutting national defense, national security, gun control, aboriton, gay rights, a general decline in morality, plus many many more issues. Are we talking about that? No, we are talking about Bain, releasing medical records, releasing school records, off shore bank accounts, fake birth certificates, etc, etc, etc. This is the quality of the two running against each other.
Three hundred million Americans, some quite talented leaders, and we pick these two? Maybe it is exactly what we deserve, and a reflection of us.
Negative advertising seems to be the order of the day. But so far, most of the real sleaze has come from Obama.
Romney's "negative" ads have been about Obama's record as president. Obama's have been a plethora of lies and innuendo and have had not much at all to do with what Romney has said he will do if elected or what Obama himself will do if re-elected.
Romney's "negative" ads have been about Obama's record as president. Obama's have been a plethora of lies and innuendo and have had not much at all to do with what Romney has said he will do if elected or what Obama himself will do if re-elected.
saturneptune
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I agree, much more has come from Obama, and the cancer death ad is the lowest of the low. I know throughout our history there have been some nasty campaigns, like Andrew Jackson and John Quincy Adams. However, nothing has stooped to this level. At least back then, issues were discussed, and for the most part, debates showed respect for the opponent. This campaign has turned the Presidency into a traveling circus.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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These PACs are a sham - they allow this kind of filth to be broadcast and allow the candidates to distance themselves. This has to be one of the lowest ads ever made. It is appalling. It doesn't make me want to support Governor Romney - but it does show the hypocrisy of politics.
But, if we wait long enough I am sure some PAC backing Romney will do something just as vile.
If that doesn't happen, may I assume you will publicly apologize for making that statement? No one of either party has EVER stooped this low before, and I think it's very unfair of you (to say the least) to assume that any conservative organization will jump into the same pool of sewage.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Of course - these are PACs and they can get away with anything they want. I don't assume that they are any virtuous PACs no matter who they support.
It is ugly and I believe as the election date comes closer it will become much uglier. I doubt that important issues like the economy, healthcare, etc. will receive much attention, even in debates if there are any.
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I agree, the super PACs should not be allowed to exist. They are answerable to no one and there is no control over how they spend their money and the message or the lies they produce. I believe the Supreme Court ruling on the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission allowing unlimited contributions was a terrible mistake on the part of the Supreme Court. To me this ruling negated the importance of the average voter to politicians in campaigns. The ruling in SpeechNow.org v. Federal Election Commission also removed the importance of the average voter to politicians.
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NaasPreacher (C4K)
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I agree - 'Citizens United' was a terrible decision and will change electioneering forever.
Saying that, President Obama is wrong for not distancing himself from this ad and the Super-PAC who created it.
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Finally something on which we can agree.
Quite the opposite, actually. It allows the average voter to organize. I can see why Socialists would hate them.
Well, going against federal election laws, it has now been documented (taped conference call) between the obama cancer ad person and not the super pac (where the ad came from), but with the obama campaign directly. And who is going to stop this obama machine which has broken the federal election laws? No one.
Say what you will, I have never seen such vile ads as team obama puts out - never in my lifetime. Even the daisy girl ad was nothing like obama is putting out now. But then, if you care nothing about the Office of the President but just about the power and you have all of your "team players" in place, who will stop you? No one.
Say what you will, I have never seen such vile ads as team obama puts out - never in my lifetime. Even the daisy girl ad was nothing like obama is putting out now. But then, if you care nothing about the Office of the President but just about the power and you have all of your "team players" in place, who will stop you? No one.
That's not the question. You are saying you are SURE that some GOP supporting PAC will stoop as low as this ad. That's an extremely unfair assumption, and in my opinion, conduct unbefitting a board administrator. Of course, you have made these kind of statements before. Your agenda seems to be to never admit that either party is better than the other in any way, no matter what extremes are involved. I'M sure that if Obama came out for a press conference and killed all of the reporters with a machine gun, you would say, "Well, I'm sure Romney will blow away a room full of reporters too before November."
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Let's just wait and see how pure the Super PACs supporting Romney are, shall we?
The question is how Romney and the GOP will respond.
BTW, your reductio ad absurdum is indeed exactly that - absurd.
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I never said any of the PACs are pure. Both sides do impure things during campaigns. But you said you were SURE that some GOP supporting PAC would do something JUST AS VILE. That is an absurd assumption, and I illustrated the absurdity of your attitude by being absurd. Unless some GOP supporting PAC falsely accuses Obama of being culpable in a specific person's death (or something even worse, if that's possible), you will owe all of them and this board an apology.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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I disagree on 'owing an apology' because 'just as vile' is subjective and open to interpretation. What I may see as 'just as vile' may not meet your standard of vile.
Anyhow, we are playing with semantics - in order to let the discussion carry on without the semantic burden that you choose to load it with I will reword with hope of placating this hang-up.
'I am pretty certain that before long some Super-PAC supporting the GOP will do something just as vile.'
Now, can we get back to the thread without the needless personalisation of discussing the posters?
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I don't accept that, and I'm sorry if this is derailing the thread a bit, but I consider this an important issue. I'm sick and tired of every time the Dems/libs do one more even more disgusting thing, both people on their side and holier-than-thou types like you just say, 'Well, your side is just as bad." NO, we are NOT. We are talking here about one side accusing the other's presidential candidate of being responsible for someone's death, and the accusation is patently false and laden with supporting lies. I defy you to give me an example of anything that any conservative or conservative group has done within our lifetimes that comes close to rivaling that. And if you cannot, you have NO moral right to make the assumption that some conservative or group is going to do it ('pretty certain' still qualifies as an assumption that it will happen). And I would remind you that this 'derailing' is happening because of your own absurd statement, and refusal to meaningfully back away from it.