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[Two Wings]

In context

This is false information. I'll assume you thought it true and help you correct your error.

The rabies vaccine was not designed for commercial use (there was no need for the vaccine commercially and no application for approval was submitted). It was part of developing mRNA vaccines (that is what ModeRNA Technologies were doing since 2010).

You would "put it" in the category of proving mRNA vaccines can be effective, safe, as well as demonstrating the feasibility of boosters (i.r., the conclusion of the study).

The reason it us important is tge science-deniers like to pretend the mRNA covid vaccines are brand new types of vaccines while ignoring the past mRNA studies carry forward into the development of the covid mRNA vaccines.

In context jon

You have taken issue with the declaration the 11 month old mRNA cv jabs were the first.
No one said it was the first attempted. It’s the first to be available. Yes it is agreed the research & development has been two decades in progress.

 

[Two Wings]

What is totally useless to you may not be to me. And my beliefs do not advance ahead of me. You reached back to get them.

I am glad I made such an impression.

No sir. You validated my prediction from your past. It’s ok.

 

[Wingman68]

You misunderstand. My dog likes people. He just does not like other dogs.

If you come to the Augusta area give me a shout. You are welcome over for coffee.

And don't get me wrong - gossiping is not against the rules as far as I can tell. It's just one of my many pet peeves.

I hate seeing members naming other members without using the "@" so that they know. I don't like seeing people talking about members by name rather than addressing them. But that is just me.

Sounds like a great story, Jon. What I observe is the opposite. You name people all the time who may not even be in that conversation. RevM, wingman68, reformed, but that’s just to make your point, using us as examples of what not to be I guess.

 

[Two Wings]

Sounds like a great story, Jon. What I observe is the opposite. You name people all the time who may not even be in that conversation. RevM, wingman68, reformed, but that’s just to make your point, using us as examples of what not to be I guess.

My untagged comment of @JonC immediately followed a “reply” to Jon

so when is it ok to allude and when is it not?

 

[JonC]

In context

In context jon

You have taken issue with the declaration the 11 month old mRNA cv jabs were the first.
No one said it was the first attempted. It’s the first to be available. Yes it is agreed the research & development has been two decades in progress.

My initial introduction of the mRNA rabies vaccination was to another member's claim that mRNA vaccines had never been used on animals or people and the mRNA covid vaccine was brand new technology.

 

[JonC]

My untagged comment of @JonC immediately followed a “reply” to Jon

so when is it ok to allude and when is it not?

It is always OK (it does not violate any rules). It is my pet peeve, not something I expect others to follow but something that does affect how I respond.

 

[JonC]

No sir. You validated my prediction from your past. It’s ok.

It is OK. I'm pretty consistent (and stubborn). My reply wouldn't have changed.

 

[Two Wings]

My initial introduction of the mRNA rabies vaccination was to another member's claim that mRNA vaccines had never been used on animals or people and the mRNA covid vaccine was brand new technology.

Ok. I may have misunderstood the precision with which your objection was made.

can anyone get an mRNA rabies vax today?

if not why not?

And with respect to the calendar period, the Cv vax IS brand new

 

[JonC]

Sounds like a great story, Jon. What I observe is the opposite. You name people all the time who may not even be in that conversation. RevM, wingman68, reformed, but that’s just to make your point, using us as examples of what not to be I guess.

I do. And I try to always use the "@" so that they are included.

 

[JonC]

Ok. I may have misunderstood the precision with which your objection was made.

can anyone get an mRNA rabies vax today?

if not why not?

And with respect to the calendar period, the Cv vax IS brand new

No. The mRNA rabies vaccination was a study (Oct 2013 to Feb 2018). The study is no longer being conducted.

The relevance is mRNA technology.

Yes, in that context the covud vaccine is brand new. So is this year's flu vaccine.

 

[Two Wings]

No. The mRNA rabies vaccination was a study (Oct 2013 to Feb 2018). The study is no longer being conducted.

The relevance is mRNA technology.

Yes, in that context the covud vaccine is brand new. So is this year's flu vaccine.

Right

but this years flu jab, like last years has been used as a vaccine …. A Medicine deployed for the purpose of treating an illness in the public

this years flu jab is the same type as those preceding it.

 

[JonC]

Right

but this years flu jab, like last years has been used as a vaccine …. A Medicine deployed for the purpose of treating an illness in the public

this years flu jab is the same type as those preceding it.

But the "type" is not relevant. The "type" has been shown effective as a vaccine.

There are no previous covid-19 vaccines upon which to draw. We cannot come to a halt everything a new disease is found.

The real issue is the standard that must be met. The US standard was met. My standard was met. Yours was not. And that is fine.

 

[Two Wings]

But the "type" is not relevant.

The type is exceedingly relevant.

Every new type has undergone extensive testing. This one didn’t.

I’m working on assembling an analysis of the mRNA coronavirus fatalities among the veterinarians’ efforts. It is initially looking like the 5 referenced species all perished when they reached the life expectancy-adjusted period of 2 human years.

Could that be relevant?

It is known among veterinarians ... very very little consultation of human physician with vets.

Just last week a NW Houston area trauma hospital which serves 7 or 9 counties had an ER nurse call a relative in A&M’s Vet School on rabies protocol. Now ... this is a big hospital which serves a rural area whereby rabies exposure is NOT a rare event.

... and the attending had no idea.

Now that speaks as much to the attending and his education/training as anything else, but the point is it underscores the lacking information exchange between people docs and critter docs. Despite the common knowledge that vet school washouts ... graduate from med school.

That’s a lotta verbiage ... I recognize that. But the point is the type of vaccine MATTERS. There was no way to predict the reaction of a given person’s immune system when it was deployed a year ago ... and there’s STILL no way to accurately predict it.

 

[JonC]

The type is exceedingly relevant.

Every new type has undergone extensive testing. This one didn’t.

I’m working on assembling an analysis of the mRNA coronavirus fatalities among the veterinarians’ efforts. It is initially looking like the 5 referenced species all perished when they reached the life expectancy-adjusted period of 2 human years.

Could that be relevant?

It is known among veterinarians ... very very little consultation of human physician with vets.

Just last week a NW Houston area trauma hospital which serves 7 or 9 counties had an ER nurse call a relative in A&M’s Vet School on rabies protocol. Now ... this is a big hospital which serves a rural area whereby rabies exposure is NOT a rare event.

... and the attending had no idea.

Now that speaks as much to the attending and his education/training as anything else, but the point is it underscores the lacking information exchange between people docs and critter docs. Despite the common knowledge that vet school washouts ... graduate from med school.

That’s a lotta verbiage ... I recognize that. But the point is the type of vaccine MATTERS. There was no way to predict the reaction of a given person’s immune system when it was deployed a year ago ... and there’s STILL no way to accurately predict it.

I disagree. mRNA vaccines have been studied with influenza virus, Zika virus, rabies virus and others. mRNA cancer vaccines, including dendritic cell vaccines and various types of directly injectable mRNA, have been employed in numerous cancer clinical trials, with results showing antigen-specific T cell responses and prolonged disease-free survival.

But people have to decide for themselves if mRNA vaccines meet their own "expert" opinions for their use.

Thankfully, for those who distrust this type of vaccine, mRNA covid vaccinations are not the only type avaliable.

 

[Two Wings]

studied

RIGHT ... studied. Not deployed; produced/distributed/injected into the bodies of people in mass.

Never before done ... in either people or animals ... and, as you’ve shown, it wasn’t for a lack of trying.

Disagree all ya want, Jon. This is at best a pig in a poke.

 

[JonC]

RIGHT ... studied. Not deployed; produced/distributed/injected into the bodies of people in mass.

Never before done ... in either people or animals ... and, as you’ve shown, it wasn’t for a lack of trying.

Disagree all ya want, Jon. This is at best a pig in a poke.

Well, not deployed commercially. They have been used in clinical trials for cancer patients since 2012. mRNA vaccine CV9103 and CV9104 is used for the treatment of prostate cancer.

So the treatment is far from brand new. And your complaint that the Pfizer vaccine was the 1st approved for commercial use is silly. There had to be a 1st vaccine to be approved.

And people are not even limited to mRNA covid vaccines.

 

[Two Wings]

used in clinical trials

Jon,

I don’t understand your intransigence. Yes ... TRIALS ... efforts to determine effectivity ... and safety.

This is a FAR cry from what we have had foisted upon us ... encouraged to accept, bribed to accept, and now coerced to accept.

You say you’re opposed to mandates, but give quarter to ‘em because no one is “forcing” another. SMH.

We’re not talking about businesses’ jobs which are entry level, no skill, no education, no qualification ... jobs.

When a man’s way of life is threatened, don’t be surprised if you get proverbially punched in the nose.

 

[JonC]

Jon,

I don’t understand your intransigence. Yes ... TRIALS ... efforts to determine effectivity ... and safety.

This is a FAR cry from what we have had foisted upon us ... encouraged to accept, bribed to accept, and now coerced to accept.

You say you’re opposed to mandates, but give quarter to ‘em because no one is “forcing” another. SMH.

We’re not talking about businesses’ jobs which are entry level, no skill, no education, no qualification ... jobs.

When a man’s way of life is threatened, don’t be surprised if you get proverbially punched in the nose.

I may be able to clarify.

I am opposed to the federal government mandating any vaccine to its citizens.

Employers have had the right to require vaccinations as a condition of employment.

While I want to see those rights not be stripped away from businesses, I do not believe the Executive Order requiring businesses with 100+ employees to require vaccinations or test is constitutional. I believe this is government overreach.

If a state government made the requirement I would be less opposed. If a private business made the requirement of its customers I would not be opposed (as businesses have the right to discriminate as long as it is not illegal discrimination [laws enforced by the EEOC]).

What I see are our rights being erroded from both ends. We have a federal government stepping on state and individual rights. But we also have an anti-covid-vax movement trying to step on individual rights. Both ideologies are socialistic (they are essentially the same thought processes).

 

[Two Wings]

But we also have an anti-covid-vax movement trying to step on individual rights

Not even close.

The effort to remove the individual choice to reject the cv vax is overwhelmingly greater than any effort to revoke the opportunity to prevent getting the jab.

I recognize you’ll not soon agree with this, but there is a much better argument to remove this cv vax from distribution than to inject every arm ... or even most ... or even many arms.

... but you will.

 

[JonC]

Not even close.

The effort to remove the individual choice to reject the cv vax is overwhelmingly greater than any effort to revoke the opportunity to prevent getting the jab.

I recognize you’ll not soon agree with this, but there is a much better argument to remove this cv vax from distribution than to inject every arm ... or even most ... or even many arms.

... but you will.

You are wrong.

We had anti-covid-vaxers physically blocking people who wanted a vaccination from getting one, and harassing nurses trying to give vaccinations. The anti-covid-vaxers forced medical sites giving vaccinations to shut down.

You may think this is appropriate, that somehow keeping people from making medical decisions for their health is somehow not threatening their rights. But this just shows how blind people have become.

What makes you believe it is right to prevent people from getting a shot?