This Is How a Prisoner of War Feels About Torture

[HankD]

When the chips are down and a people (or individual persons) are facing extinction (real OR imagined) it is unpredictable which way they will turn.

I remember here in Olympia WA - Capital of WA State - at the 2001 6.9 earthquake while the house was in session and being filmed some of the lawmakers who were not exactly known for piety began praying (shouting to God) for mercy as the building quaked while others were cursing.

Especially at a time of war - take Truman who gave the order to disintegrate about 200,000 civilian people - not a military order but to debilitate/destroy the pride of the Japanese people.

Untold torturous suffering among the bombed cities went on for decades because of radiation poisoning and cancer.

At the time however there was dancing (literally) in our streets, even in East Boston in my part of the world as a boy. No one was upset about the Japanese suffering.

Years later and now to this very day the morality police have been laying a guilt burden on us for what we did to the innocent children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Actually, the story began in the Garden of Eden. I believe the ability to do anything to each other is innate in everyone of us (Romans 5:12).

It's who we are.

HankD

 

[Use of Time]

Sometimes I don't understand you. Check it out--Feinstein did not allow any input from anyone. That was the reason that the report had to be published now--Feinstein will not be the chair in the next Congress.

Torture is having to watch people jump out the windows of the World Trade Center, as someone has said.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/911-widow-torture-watching-people-jump-buildings

The report was pulled from the CIA's OWN DOCUMENTS THAT WERE AUDITED. This report did not materialize out of thin air.

If razing two middle eastern countries isn't enough to satiate your thirst for revenge on 9/11 than nothing will. Torture is immoral, illegal, unethical and it makes us look like savages.

 

[carpro]

This report is a pure Democrat product.

Yes it is. Released for political purposes only.

 

[Use of Time]

Yes it is. Released for political purposes only.

It was completed in 2012 and due to GOP members requesting revisions, redactions, requests to keep more info. classified, it took more time to complete. Declassification analysis had to be done after it was decided the report (actually the executive summary is all we get) would be released to the general public. The timing isn't nearly as odd as it might look at first glance.

President Obama/the admin got the report in April of this year for "declassification review" and would have to declassify each bit in the report. While it's been said that Obama was willing and supported declassification of a lot more his advisers opposed and squashed stuff according to sources.

 

[church mouse guy]

For the record, the GOP and the CIA said that they were not allowed any input into the report and that it is the work of the Democrat Party solely and the Democrats are lying if they say that they were not fully informed at the time and if they say that they did not approve of the CIA at the time.

 

[Use of Time]

For the record, the GOP and the CIA said that they were not allowed any input into the report and that it is the work of the Democrat Party solely and the Democrats are lying if they say that they were not fully informed at the time and if they say that they did not approve of the CIA at the time.

That is patently untrue. Read my last post to Carpro in this thread. The CIA provided the documentation for the report and 3 of 7 GOP members on the committee voted for declassification.

 

[Use of Time]

Oh and here is the CIA admitting that they actually spied on the Senate Committee investigation. Kind of hard to get their input when they are actively working against you. Even the ranking Republican, Senator Saxby Chambliss was calling for punishment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/01/world/senate-intelligence-commitee-cia-interrogation-report.html

 

[carpro]

It was completed in 2012 and due to GOP members requesting revisions, redactions, requests to keep more info. classified, it took more time to complete. Declassification analysis had to be done after it was decided the report (actually the executive summary is all we get) would be released to the general public. The timing isn't nearly as odd as it might look at first glance.

President Obama/the admin got the report in April of this year for "declassification review" and would have to declassify each bit in the report. While it's been said that Obama was willing and supported declassification of a lot more his advisers opposed and squashed stuff according to sources.

And released at this time for purely political purposes.

there is nothing here. It's old info.

 

[InTheLight]

And released at this time for purely political purposes.

there is nothing here. It's old info.

"Nothing here" and "old info".

If this is old info, why don't you pull up some old reports about rectal infused meals, distending stomachs by forcing water into people either by rectal hydration or other methods. You've got the entire internet and Google to help you out.

 

[carpro]

"Nothing here" and "old info".

If this is old info, why don't you pull up some old reports about rectal infused meals, distending stomachs by forcing water into people either by rectal hydration or other methods. You've got the entire internet and Google to help you out.

"Enhanced interrogation" is "enhanced interrogation". I'm not really fascinated by the details.

It's been addressed and fixed. It's been codified and legislated and no one will be held responsible for anything.

Politics. Pure and simple.

We have problems that haven't been fixed and they're being ignored while we go through this useless exercise.

But that was the plan. It's a pity. But it's working.

 

[Use of Time]

"Enhanced interrogation" is "enhanced interrogation". I'm not really fascinated by the details.

It's been addressed and fixed. It's been codified and legislated and no one will be held responsible for anything.

Politics. Pure and simple.

We have problems that haven't been fixed and they're being ignored while we go through this useless exercise.

But that was the plan. It's a pity. But it's working.

Fixed by who? Yep thats right the following administration. The politics pure and simple excuse goes both ways. Of course it had to be released now. It wouldn't have seen the light of day once the GOP took the majority and you know it. It was now or never. Complaining about the politics of it all is nothing but a smokescreen to avoid actually having to look at the horrific content involved in the report.

It's also not political that the CIA used their resources to hack into the committees computers in an attempt to undermine the report? Get some perspective man. This thing goes far beyond politics.

"Enhance interrogation" is simply a nice way of describing the actual atrocities committed in these detention facilities.

 

[carpro]

. This thing goes far beyond politics.

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No, it doesn't. It's completely about politics.

A planned distraction from a Justice department that is nothing more than a political tool for democrats.

From a government agency whose primary job is to collect taxes, being used as a political tool by this administration to punish it's enemies.

A military that is being systematically destroyed and demoralized.

A president that writes law in his office and alters legislation as he sees fit.

An administration that is so closed off that every bit of paper and correspondence has to be sued for. They make Richard Nixon look like a choirboy.

A health care program that was passed by lies, subterfuge and deliberate misdirection by the leftist elite that thinks we're all stupid.

While we go through this useless exercise of self flagellation for what, the public good? Give me a break. Our enemies are laughing at all of us. And the administration is laughing at the success of their distraction.

The punch line. Nobody will be held accountable for anything. But it's a useful tool to be used on the fools that get sucked into their distraction..


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[carpro]

Fixed by who? Yep thats right the following administration.

:laugh:

This administration has done absolutely nothing about "torture" escept grant immunity to those that committed it or authorized it.

The problem was addressed and legislatively fixed in 2005 by our very own "torture" expert, John McCain and signed into law by President Bush.

All this administration has done is use it as a smokescreen, a distraction. They have fixed or addressed absolutely nothing about it.

 

[Use of Time]

:laugh:

This administration has done absolutely nothing about "torture" escept grant immunity to those that committed it or authorized it.

The problem was addressed and legislatively fixed in 2005 by our very own "torture" expert, John McCain and signed into law by President Bush.

All this administration has done is use it as a smokescreen, a distraction. They have fixed or addressed absolutely nothing about it.

Well if by nothing you mean this executive order.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations

 

[Use of Time]

No, it doesn't. It's completely about politics.

A planned distraction from a Justice department that is nothing more than a political tool for democrats.

From a government agency whose primary job is to collect taxes, being used as a political tool by this administration to punish it's enemies.

A military that is being systematically destroyed and demoralized.

A president that writes law in his office and alters legislation as he sees fit.

An administration that is so closed off that every bit of paper and correspondence has to be sued for. They make Richard Nixon look like a choirboy.

A health care program that was passed by lies, subterfuge and deliberate misdirection by the leftist elite that thinks we're all stupid.

While we go through this useless exercise of self flagellation for what, the public good? Give me a break. Our enemies are laughing at all of us. And the administration is laughing at the success of their distraction.

The punch line. Nobody will be held accountable for anything. But it's a useful tool to be used on the fools that get sucked into their distraction..


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The argument about whether or not anyone is going to be held responsible is being put forth by absolutely nobody here.

 

[carpro]

Well if by nothing you mean this executive order.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations

Redundant. A political stunt. Legislation had already addressed the problem years before.

I repeat. The Obama administration has done absolutely nothing about "torture".

...well, that's not entirely true.




Eric Holder , directed an experienced prosecutor, John Durham, to investigate the interrogation program in 2009.

Holder said that Mr. Durham “examined any possible CIA involvement with the interrogation and detention of 101 detainees who were alleged to have been in U.S. custody” after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The investigation was concluded in August 2012.

It determined that no prosecutable offenses were committed.

 

[Use of Time]

Redundant. A political stunt. Legislation had already addressed the problem years before.

I repeat. The Obama administration has done absolutely nothing about "torture".

...well, that's not entirely true.




Eric Holder , directed an experienced prosecutor, John Durham, to investigate the interrogation program in 2009.

Holder said that Mr. Durham “examined any possible CIA involvement with the interrogation and detention of 101 detainees who were alleged to have been in U.S. custody” after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The investigation was concluded in August 2012.

It determined that no prosecutable offenses were committed.

Publicity stunt? Read the bill again. It removed the authority to conduct the enhanced interrogation techniques. The previous bill had not been redacted so this isn't some meaningless EO Carpro. You are scrambling again. You said they did nothing about torture. Well so far I have produced an executive order and of course their is the actual torture report that was compiled by the administration to investigate the actions taken previously. I mean, if they truly did nothing then we wouldn't be having this conversation would we. The word "nothing" seems to be a tough one for you to understand.

Prosecution was never the intent. This is your strawman argument that nobody here is engaging with you on.

How about the CIA unconstitutionally spying on them and hacking into their computers while they were conducting the report. Nothing to hide there. :laugh:

Carpro tapdancing and backpeddling to begin in 3...2...

 

[carpro]

Which of course was never the intent. :laugh: :

It may well have been the intent, and if it was, don't try to make Obama look like a knight on a white horse. He did absolutely nothing except to make sure this distraction was published now, when he needed it most.

 

[carpro]

Publicity stunt? Read the bill again. It removed the authority to conduct the enhanced interrogation techniques.

What bill? Did Obama write another piece of legislation?

The legislation to stop those techniques was written in 2005 and he had nothing to do with it.

But I give him credit. He made sure nobody would ever be prosecuted for what they did.

 

[Use of Time]

Nope. In order to stop the practice you have to close the loop. Which is what the intent of the EO was. Nobody is painting Obama as a white knight. Another strawman.

Not going to address the CIA spying? Yeah I didn't think so.