Go ahead. The boundaries, and people who are to inhabit them are spelled out for us. Too bad for some.
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This Land is Mine!
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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Before you make such a sweeping dismissal of any but "pure" motives, you perhaps should know who Nina Paley is. She is an antisemite, and quite active in attempting to discredit Israel's claim to the land. Her blogsite? "www.sedermasochism.com"
One of her other video projects is titled "Death of the First-Born Egyptians," of which she says, "I’m currently animating the Death of the Firstborn Egyptians (Exodus 11:1-12:36) for Seder-Masochism. This is the miracle that started Passover! Hooray! I’m being sarcastic!"
She funded a full-length movie, "Seder Masochism," via one of the first "GoFundMe" online donation sites established, and then recruited Jewish people to let her record the sounds of the Seder. Oh, but she forgot to tell them one thing: She wanted those recordings to produce an antisemetic film on Jewish society, the Jewish people, and their religion so she could "prove" how awful they are as a culture. How's that for a load of horse manure?
The kicker? She's Jewish. By blood, obviously, not by faith.
And Crabby chose to post this garbage on here. For that, he should be banned. Or perhaps, people on BB actually agree with Nina and Crabby?
Before you make such a sweeping dismissal of any but "pure" motives, you perhaps should know who Nina Paley is. She is an antisemite, and quite active in attempting to discredit Israel's claim to the land. Her blogsite? "www.sedermasochism.com"
One of her other video projects is titled "Death of the First-Born Egyptians," of which she says, "I’m currently animating the Death of the Firstborn Egyptians (Exodus 11:1-12:36) for Seder-Masochism. This is the miracle that started Passover! Hooray! I’m being sarcastic!"
She funded a full-length movie, "Seder Masochism," via one of the first "GoFundMe" online donation sites established, and then recruited Jewish people to let her record the sounds of the Seder. Oh, but she forgot to tell them one thing: She wanted those recordings to produce an antisemetic film on Jewish society, the Jewish people, and their religion so she could "prove" how awful they are as a culture. How's that for a load of horse manure?
The kicker? She's Jewish. By blood, obviously, not by faith.
And Crabby chose to post this garbage on here. For that, he should be banned. Or perhaps, people on BB actually agree with Nina and Crabby?
OK. I didn't know any of that and for that I do thank you. But that doesn't change the fact that nothing in the video merited what has been said here. If the video creator believes that crap, fine, but nowhere in the video itself is that promoted that I can see.
Also not sure what you meant by the bolded part above.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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Well, just that it isn't all fun and games, "a simple video," is all. No offense intended.
Understood. None taken.
You are correct. The video simply shows the numerous groups who have taken that land away from others. That is scriptural ... now down to the British of course. The critics should read their Old Testament and count the number of times this land changed hands.
There was only a short time between the Old Testament and the New Testament that the Jews controlled Palestine. That was under the Maccabees.
Who controlled Israel when Jesus was alive. It sure wasn't the Jews ... it was Rome.
The Ottoman Turks controlled Palestine for over 400 years.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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Great, thanks for the history lesson. Not that anyone with any biblical knowledge needed it. Now how about answering for the source of your video.
I had never heard of her before and knew nothing about her. However, the video is not anti-Israel nor anti-anyone. It simply shows that many people have come in, waged war on those already there and taken over the country. This is history. What is your problem with history?
I disagree with her in some areas you mentioned. So be it. After all even you are correct sometimes.
The video lies about Israel's claim to the land. It paints them as fools for believing it, and barbarians for acting on it.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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If you actually believe this, you're either willfully ignorant, or antisemetic. Frankly, I'm not sure which to think.
How is it either anti or pro anyone as it is simply showing what has happened in that part of the world for centuries upon centuries.
If I were to publish eight photos, four showing Confederate dead and four showing Union dead, would that be a anti or pro statement of either?
Then you are an idiot.
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Now we're merely "showing pictures". LOL. I thought this was a video, with sound, song, and message.
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In this case I agree with CTB. The video isn't anti-anything. The creator of the video may be, but I really fail to see how the video itself is. Does that make me ignorant or antisemetic too?
thisnumbersdisconnected
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I think there's hope for you. You haven't regularly displayed this aberration throughout your BB tenure. :laugh:
:laugh: Thanks.
Please explain how this video is either anti or pro Israeli. I am not talking about the producer, but of the video itself.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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The short is antisemitic in it attempts to the recreate the truth of Israel in the eyes of the world by implying that everyone's claim to the land is as valid as Israel's. They are not. Paley's cutesie little film totally ignores the promise to her own people that the land was to be their in perpetuity, from none other than Almighty God. Despite the Covenantalists' attempts to discredit that claim as being valid any longer, it is nonetheless true, and a propery exegesis of Scripture proves it. Any effort to equalize a Palestinian or Arab claim to the land with Israel's promise from God is offensive and supercilious, aside from the "mere fact" of such an effort being ecclesiastically and eschatologically invalid.
Beyond biblical evidences to the contrary of Paley's short are the historical facts. Palestine, from the time Rome destroyed Jerusalem, has belonged to no one other than by default. From the time of the Napoleonic Wars, the region has been in crisis. Nonetheless, the land was promised Israel, and given to them by God.
Through Joshua to David, the land was subdued per God's directive and guidance, but not in its entirety. God gave them the land from the Nile to the Euphrates.
They lived continuously in the land for over a millennium, until they were expelled from it by force, first by the Assyrians and Babylonians, and later by the Romans. They have long been a people without a land of their own.
In modern times the anti-Semitic persecution to which they have been continually subjected through the centuries, particularly by Arabs and Islam, and reaching the state of genocide under the Nazis, has meant they must have a land of their own to provide for them a safe refuge from their enemies.
They have never occupied all that land, and though many point to the human vision of many of Israel's leaders that "God has given us His promises in full," the fact is they were to conquer the land by dispossessing it from the heretic nations that previously occupied it. They failed. Still, God has not withdrawn His promise and the land will still, one day, be theirs in its entirety. No one else has any claim to the land.
Paley's cutesie little short lacks of knowledge in Jewish/Hebraic history, and your lack of knowledge regarding her antisemetism is inexcusable in a Christian.
There are no claims made in the video. It simply shows that each group wanted the land. No bias is shown own way or the other. She is rewriting nothing, simply showing that many have occupied the land and while they occupied it they claimed it as their own.
Have a great weekend. I am off to a family reunion. We always meet in the village Baptist church I grew up in and that is where I found Christ as taught by those good folk.