Those Objecting to God Imputing Righteousness

[Yeshua1]

Once again false doctrine is being asserted by false teaching. The claim faith is works is not only false as Romans 4:16 teaches, but goes on to claim the people of Matthew 23:13 were entering the kingdom but we not "seeking God." Hogwash.

No verse or passage says or suggests that the lost cannot seek God, but verse after verse says the lost do seek God some of the time, sometimes through faith and sometimes through works.

If you deny Pauline Justification, you MUST then be teaching salvation by own works and efforts!

 

[Yeshua1]

Note the emphasis on the arcane translation of logizomai but lacking understanding that the verse is referring to a person's faith being credited as righteousness to him or her.

Does this passage say God credits righteousness to an individual? Yes. Does the passage say God declares they are "made righteous? Nope.

The "declared righteous" nonsense is based on mistranslation of a word meaning "Justified." Full Stop

God gives saving faith towards us, so why would we receive any credit?

 

[Yeshua1]

Once again false doctrine is being asserted by false teaching. The claim faith is works is not only false as Romans 4:16 teaches, but goes on to claim the people of Matthew 23:13 were entering the kingdom but we not "seeking God." Hogwash.

No verse or passage says or suggests that the lost cannot seek God, but verse after verse says the lost do seek God some of the time, sometimes through faith and sometimes through works.

You deny both Isaiah and pail that none seek after the lord then, on their own?

 

[Van]

@Van

Romans 3:11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. (emphasis mine)

How many times is this bogus claim going to be allowed? Does this verse say that is none who ever seeks after God? Nope
The people of Matthew 23:13 were entering the kingdom but not seeking God according to this Calvinist claim. Hogwash

 

[Van]

God gives saving faith towards us, so why would we receive any credit?

Because the Bible tells me so. Romans 4:4-5, 23-24

 

[KenH]

How many times is this bogus claim going to be allowed? Does this verse say that is none who ever seeks after God? Nope
The people of Matthew 23:13 were entering the kingdom but not seeking God according to this Calvinist claim. Hogwash

' "for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men": not eternal life and happiness, the entrance into which can neither be opened nor shut by men: those whom God determines to bring thither, shall have an entrance abundantly ministered to them, in spite of the opposition of men and devils; though these men did all that in them lay, to hinder persons enjoying everlasting glory. ' - John Gill, Gill's Bible Commentary

 

[Van]

' "for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men": not eternal life and happiness, the entrance into which can neither be opened nor shut by men: those whom God determines to bring thither, shall have an entrance abundantly ministered to them, in spite of the opposition of men and devils; though these men did all that in them lay, to hinder persons enjoying everlasting glory. ' - John Gill, Gill's Bible Commentary

Why post obvious falsehood, the people of Matthew 23:13 were "entering" the kingdom but we prevented from going in by false teachers. That is biblical truth, your claim parroting John Gill, is unbiblical hogwash.

Note that all the passages warning us to beware of false teachers are nullified by this false claim. Basically Calvinism rewrites a great deal of the New Testament.

 

[KenH]

Why post obvious falsehood, the people of Matthew 23:13 were "entering" the kingdom but we prevented from going in by false teachers. That is biblical truth, your claim parroting John Gill, is unbiblical hogwash.

Note that all the passages warning us to beware of false teachers are nullified by this false claim. Basically Calvinism rewrites a great deal of the New Testament.

When God purposes to save a person, that person will be saved. Period. God is sovereign...all the time.

 

[Van]

If you deny Pauline Justification, you MUST then be teaching salvation by own works and efforts!

If anyone actually believes Y1 has the slightest idea about "Pauline Justification" they are off the rails.

 

[Van]

When God purposes to save a person, that person will be saved. Period. God is sovereign...all the time.

Again and again the wording is changed to hide the truth. Did anyone say salvation did not occur when God purposed salvation to occur? Nope. On and on folks, obfuscation after obfuscation.

Did the Calvinist post in effect people could not be entering the kingdom, when Jesus explicitly said they were? You bet!!

Does scripture say anyone actually enters the kingdom by their will or works? Nope.

But people entering certainly are seeking God, therefore "none who seek after God" refers to the fact we have all turned aside and therefore were not seeking God when sinning. However, at other times, such as Matthew 23:13 people do seek God.

 

[KenH]

Did the Calvinist post in effect people could not be entering the kingdom, when Jesus explicitly said they were? You bet!!

 

[Van]

Did the Calvinist post in effect people could not be entering the kingdom, when Jesus explicitly said they were? You bet!! See post # 106.

 

[KenH]

Did the Calvinist post in effect people could not be entering the kingdom, when Jesus explicitly said they were? You bet!! See post # 106.