Thoughts concerning a hypothetical.

[percho]

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Rom 7:12

Let's say the law and commandment above is:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: from Gen 2:17

Now let's say it wasn't Paul but Adam who wrote Rom 7:14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.


Is this how we should understand what Paul wrote and it does not have anything to do with whether it was written from a perspective of saved or unsaved?

In the case above wasn't Adam sold and or given over to sin because he was created as carnal?

Consider also:

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; Romans 8:20 NKJV

 

[Winman]

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Rom 7:12

Let's say the law and commandment above is:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: from Gen 2:17

Now let's say it wasn't Paul but Adam who wrote Rom 7:14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.


Is this how we should understand what Paul wrote and it does not have anything to do with whether it was written from a perspective of saved or unsaved?

In the case above wasn't Adam sold and or given over to sin because he was created as carnal?

Consider also:

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; Romans 8:20 NKJV

No, Paul said he was "sold" under sin. He wasn't created that way, and neither was Adam.

It is when we commit sin that we become the servant or slave of sin, sin being personified in scripture.

Jhn 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Many people falsely teach that we must sin because we are slaves to sin. This is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what scripture teaches. The scripture teaches that when you sin, you "sell" yourself to sin and become his servant.

This is exactly what is shown in the parable of the prodigal son. At first he belonged to his father, who represented God.

Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:

The father "had" two sons. The prodigal was not lost, and he did not belong to the devil at this point. It was only when the prodigal son willingly and knowingly chose to sin that he "joined himself" to a citizen of that far country. This is when he became a servant or slave of sin.

Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

This is when the prodigal became a servant or slave to sin.

Men are not born slaves to sin that must sin, we become slaves of sin when we willingly choose to sin. This is when we are "sold under sin" as Paul described in Romans 7:14. He had earlier said he was "alive without the law once" in vs. 9. He was not born dead or sold to sin as many falsely teach.

 

[percho]

No, Paul said he was "sold" under sin. He wasn't created that way, and neither was Adam.

It is when we commit sin that we become the servant or slave of sin, sin being personified in scripture.

Jhn 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Many people falsely teach that we must sin because we are slaves to sin. This is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what scripture teaches. The scripture teaches that when you sin, you "sell" yourself to sin and become his servant.

This is exactly what is shown in the parable of the prodigal son. At first he belonged to his father, who represented God.

Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:

The father "had" two sons. The prodigal was not lost, and he did not belong to the devil at this point. It was only when the prodigal son willingly and knowingly chose to sin that he "joined himself" to a citizen of that far country. This is when he became a servant or slave of sin.

Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

This is when the prodigal became a servant or slave to sin.

Men are not born slaves to sin that must sin, we become slaves of sin when we willingly choose to sin. This is when we are "sold under sin" as Paul described in Romans 7:14. He had earlier said he was "alive without the law once" in vs. 9. He was not born dead or sold to sin as many falsely teach.

Is the creation of Romans 8:20 the creation of Genesis 1 and would you elaborate a little of your understanding of the vanity of Romans 8:20 relative to the hope of same.

I believe it states it was created subject rather than becoming subject.


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