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Thoughts on Justification

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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
And you teach that His going to the Cross didnt save anyone. But it actually saved all for whom He died Jn 12:32, the elect
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BF I can only show you the truth I cannot make you believe it.

You continue to read your calvinism into the text and thus have a distorted understanding of the word of God.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF are you a fool? That you can say what you just did shows that you have little understanding of the word of God.
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You have said that the death of Christ has saved no one. Thats not trusting Christ for salvation. And His resurrection saves as well by giving a new birth 1 Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, ESV

Now according to this scripture, how were they born again sir ?
 
Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You have said that the death of Christ has saved no one. Thats not trusting Christ for salvation. And His resurrection saves as well by giving a new birth 1 Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, ESV

Now according to this scripture, how were they born again sir ?
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Just as I have been pointing out to you numerous times BF.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

And which you actually just agreed with.

"...He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 1Pe 1:13

Even when you try to say I am wrong you show that I am right.
 
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Brightfame52 said:
Which I consider blasphemy, and you agree with that ?

When its said Christ saved by His death, the dbr is a package deal. In other words to say He saved by His death is no different than saying He saves by His death burial and resurrection. His death burial confirm the legal aspect of His work and His resurrection confirms the Spiritual aspect of His work and His present intercession guarantees

all spiritual application


Can be ? Thats sounds like some reservation here. Explain can be. Either we are or we are not Justified by the faithfulness of Christ.

Agreed


What is "equals have,faith of God ?

agreed

However since you agree with @Silverhair , that Christs death doesnt save anyone, you are very inconsistent and shows doublemindness, thats not good
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Sorry you misunderstood. I disagree with him. I believe our salvation [which requires life from the dead] is because of Christ dying for our sins. His obedience unto death becomes our justification Wherefore God [the Father] highly exalted him. Raised him out of the dead. Gal 1:1
 
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John 12:32-33, And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.

1 John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Timothy 2:5-6, For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, . . . .
 
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As to universalism


And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:29

Those in that verse will number as many as the stars of the heavens and grains of sand on the sea shores.
 
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The "for you" included Judas I.

Luke 22:19-21, And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
 
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Brightfame52

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percho said:
Sorry you misunderstood. I disagree with him. I
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percho said:
I believe our salvation [which requires life from the dead] is because of Christ dying for our sins. His obedience unto death becomes our justification Wherefore God [the Father] highly exalted him. Raised him out of the dead. Gal 1:1
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I agree. I would add that the required life from the dead is provided through the resurrection of Christ 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Christs death gives all the legal salvation, and His resurrection gives the Spiritual salvation which entails being made alive from being dead in sin making Him a complete Saviour of His People.
 
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Martin Marprelate said:
I am currently on holiday, and have been doing a bit of study. I am interested to know what folk here think about Justification.
So firstly, how does justification differ from forgiveness?

Secondly, in the Book of Romans, Paul tells us that we are justified by three things:
1. We are justified by grace. Rom. 3:24.
2. We are justified by faith. Rom. 5:1.
3. We are justified by the blood of Christ. Rom. 5:9.

How would one reconcile these three statements?
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Did the Word made flesh becoming the propitiation by death [shed, soul of the flesh in the blood] bring about the ability for God the Father to forgive our sins. in the Son of God?

Just a though in question.
 
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Martin Marprelate

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percho said:
Did the Word made flesh becoming the propitiation by death [shed, soul of the flesh in the blood] bring about the ability for God the Father to forgive our sins. in the Son of God?

Just a thought in question.
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I don't think it is quite right to speak of God's "ability" to do something (c.f. Genesis 18:14), but I've said before on this forum that the Bible says that there are two things God cannot do. He cannot lie (Titus 1:2) and He cannot deny Himself (2 Timothy 2:13). I think the second of these applies here. He is the just and righteous God and He will not justify the wicked. But praise be! In the Lord Jesus Christ He has found a way to satisfy His justice and propitiate His righteous anger against sin so that He can be 'just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus.'
 
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