Thoughts on the Current Donkey - Elephant Political Blame Game

[KenH]

I wonder if we will again see the time(such as during World War II) again when Americans basically worked together to achieve goals and to solve problems instead of constantly carping at each other's statements and actions(regardless of how small)? Frankly, I think the Republican and Democratic Parties have both become basically worthless when it comes to solving the problems and challenges we face in America.

I might continue to vote for individual Republican and Democrat candidates but I have no intention of providing support to either party as a whole any longer. I wish that a viable third party could be formed that was interested in solving problems instead of merely desiring to be in power for power's sake as the Republican and Democratic Parties do.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Thats an excellent question Ken. All you have to do is post in any forum on the internet to see that the lines are clearly drawn.

If there is a board which is strongly Republican one can expect fury if he points out anything wrong or nay mistakes made by the party. The same is true for boards which are primarily Democrat.

We have seemingly lost the ability to think on individual issues. President Bush's now famous "You are either for us or you are against us" is taken totally out of context to the point where virtually no difference of opinion is allowed.

Even though, IMHO, the two major parties are two sides of the same coin, they both need to everything they can to prove they are different, hence the present practice of being totally critical of what either party does.

I agree that we are in a political impasse. The solution? The GOP needs to take a clear stand on the right. The Democrats can stay the liberal party. Quit trying to appease the other side.


When both parties know who they are, then they can work together to achieve a common purpose. As it is, both are trying to appeal to the same clientele so must constantly snipe at the other.

Okay, I admit that the logic may appear a bit convoluted here. Does anybody see the point I am vainly trying to get across ?

 

[hillclimber]

The two parties are rather definitively divided on moral issues. The Republicans take the moral high ground and the Democrats strive for the baser side of life. I do know there are always aberrations, but I think generally this is so. Am I seeing this correctly?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Originally posted by KenH:
I wonder if we will again see the time(such as during World War II) again when Americans basically worked together to achieve goals and to solve problems instead of constantly carping at each other's statements and actions(regardless of how small)? Frankly, I think the Republican and Democratic Parties have both become basically worthless when it comes to solving the problems and challenges we face in America.

I might continue to vote for individual Republican and Democrat candidates but I have no intention of providing support to either party as a whole any longer. I wish that a viable third party could be formed that was interested in solving problems instead of merely desiring to be in power for power's sake as the Republican and Democratic Parties do.

Here, here! Well said.

 

[OldRegular]

The real problem is that the activist democrats [read radical left] controlled the Federal Government for 64 years, from 1930 until 1994. They think they have [I can't say divine right knowing the radical left [sorry, read actvist democrat] an inherited right to govern.

Actually the reason that the dems and Republicans got along as well as they did in DC during the 30's-60's was that the Republicans were an insignificant minority in DC, sort of like a fly on the donkeys tail. Now they are the elephant on the donkey's tail and it kicks.

There is a more appropriate word for donkey but it would probably be edited, though it is a Biblical [KJV] word. That is about as close as the radical left [sorry, activist democrat] gets to the Word of God!

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Originally posted by hillclimber:
The two parties are rather definitively divided on moral issues. The Republicans take the moral high ground and the Democrats strive for the baser side of life. I do know there are always aberrations, but I think generally this is so. Am I seeing this correctly?

I don't think so, Hillclimber. What you are perceiving as the baser side of life is simply the attempt to rule by law rather than by religion. This is still a secular republic with a separation of government and religion. The Democrats, in general, appear to have more members who respect that great tradition and principle.

 

[church mouse guy]

The reason that we had cooperation in WW II was that the Republicans believe in majority rule and in a time of national emergency allowed FDR to have his demagoguery as well as his mistress at Warm Springs, Georgia.

However, the Democrats never return the favor.

The third parties are sometimes dumping grounds for people who have no beliefs and cannot cooperate with the systematic thinking of one of the two parties. Third parties cannot function without an issue. Nowadays the issues of the third parties are found in the platforms of one of the two parties for the most part. However, neither major party offers instant gratification.

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
... However, the Democrats never return the favor. ...

You don't mean the mistress do you? We don't want that now!

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
... The Democrats, in general, appear to have more members who respect that great tradition and principle.

Democrats? Respect? Tradition and principle?

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
However, neither major party offers instant gratification.

The democrat party has been offering instant gratification since FDR started socialism in this country.

 

[LadyEagle]

An interesting bipartison read - there is enough blame to go around...

A lot of information on this web site - I haven't begun to read it all & doubt that most people here will even be interested, but am posting this for anyone who cares to have the "political party blinders" removed from their eyes:


http://www.skolnicksreport.com/

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
An interesting bipartison read - there is enough blame to go around...

A lot of information on this web site - I haven't begun to read it all & doubt that most people here will even be interested, but am posting this for anyone who cares to have the "political party blinders" removed from their eyes:


http://www.skolnicksreport.com/

You're not the only one, Lady Eagle, who's interested.

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hillclimber:
The two parties are rather definitively divided on moral issues. The Republicans take the moral high ground and the Democrats strive for the baser side of life. I do know there are always aberrations, but I think generally this is so. Am I seeing this correctly?

I don't think so, Hillclimber. What you are perceiving as the baser side of life is simply the attempt to rule by law rather than by religion. This is still a secular republic with a separation of government and religion. The Democrats, in general, appear to have more members who respect that great tradition and principle. </font>[/QUOTE]I would say it is a secular democracy, that started as a constitutional republic, which was based on very definite Biblical principals. In sliding into a democracy we have put a number on the days we can survive as a nation. But the question is how far down will we fall before the rapture.

The whole abuse of the intent of seperation of church and state is a necessary step in the destruction of our republic.

To rule by constitutional law, as we were rooted is a very good thing. To abandon that and rule by fiat of Supreme Court apointees, based on their feelings or those of their constituants, is the undoing of America.

We are to be ruled by constitutional law that was based in the religious freedoms, and not by religion.

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
The Democrats, in general, appear to have more members who respect that great tradition and principle.

If you were using present tense I would say that they are simply respecting the latest policies of the leftists, which is scorched earth. A doctrine on No to anything Present Bush proposes. The Democrats have no stated policy in effect now for any issue that I've heard of.

They have a growing number of members that are fed up with their confrontational tactics, and will lose more seats in Congress and more governorships in coming years if their radicals in power aren't thrown out.

 

[just-want-peace]

This seems an appropriate time to insert this commentary about a true conservative approach to politics. Long read, but WELL worth it.

Been thinking of sending this to my reps, but wonder if they would take the time to read.

Might do it anyway.

An excerpt:

Go the whole nine yards on the issues, i.e. be an unapologetic and proud Conservative, whether it be on school choice, abortion, gun control, tort reform, compulsory unionism, bilingual education, property rights, welfare, taxation, etc. The media would scream foul and waste no time in "advising" you to lurch as far to the Left as possible i.e. become more "moderate".

You can be the most conciliatory/ "moderate" of Republicans, but should you be running against a Leftist Democrat, the unions are still going to call you a threat to worker's rights, the NAACP and La Raza would still call you a racist, NOW and NARAL would still call you a threat to women, Sarah Brady and her cohorts are still going to call you a threat to children, the NEA and AFT would still call you a threat to public education and the Sierra Club would still call you a threat to the environment. And everything they say about you would be faithfully repeated by their ideological allies in the Press and news media.

http://www.geocities.com/kanaell/opinions/campaignplan.html