vooks,
re: "If they took Jesus to Calvary (killed him) on Friday, what's the FIRST day they killed him? Friday or Saturday?
Naturally it would be Friday.
Excellent. Now, Friday would be FIRST day of what? First,Second,Third Don't exist in a vacuum; if it is days, it has to be FIRST since something
And then the first day since they killed Him would be Saturday.
Now you are tying yourself in knots. If Friday was the FIRST day since they killed him, how can Saturday, the day after be FIRST day as well? Every time there is a reckoning of time, it is ALWAYS since some fixed event, otherwise you won't make sense.
There very day God commenced creation is called the FIRST day. The next day is called the SECOND day. This means that from the inspired scriptures, we reckon days from the very date of an event and not the day after.
Could you please share one scriptural instance where the day following an event is regarded as the FIRST and not the SECOND day? I have shared several supporting my logic. Support yours with scriptures.
re: "Do you also agree that if today is the THIRD day, the FIRST day is the day before yesterday?"
Yes.
Excellent
So if Jesus rose again the THIRD day(obviously third day
since he died not since he was born!), is there any other conclusion you can draw other than he rose the day following the day after he died?
1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV)
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
re: "Specifically if Sunday is the THIRD day, what would be the FIRST day?"
Friday would be the first day. And Monday would be the 3rd day since Friday.
English may not be your first language but surely you can't be this obtuse.
In what sense would Friday be FIRST day?
Or if Friday would the the FIRST day, wouldn't Saturday,Sunday and MONDAY be the SECOND ,THIRD and FOURTH days respectively?
How then can Monday be BOTH FOURTH and THIRD day with regard to the same event?
re: "You don't need extrabiblical literature..."
Again, I'm not limiting my request to extrabiblical literature. Scriptural examples will be fine.
Please share with me scriptural application of 'nights and days' phrase where it is obviously literal as opposed to idiomatic
re: "...do you know of the application of the phrase in a literal sense outside scriptures in the first century?"
No; but then I haven't looked for any.
why not?
re: "We have shown beyond doubt that the time referred to by the phrase in the gospels is much less than time covered in a literal 3 days and 3 nights meaning the phrase MUST have been idiomatic."
I'm not saying anything about a literal 3 days and 3 nights - a full 72 hours. And I'm not saying that it isn't idiomatic - it may be or it may not be. The question for the purpose of this topic is about it being a common idiom. In order for someone to say that it is common, there would have to be examples to support that assertion.
Aha....common. How many references do you need to demonstrate it was 'common'?
Look at the phrase here by Josephus;
When Pilate refused, they fell prostrate around his palace and for five whole days and nights remained motionless in that position.
http://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate04.html
And
Matthew 4:2 (KJV)
And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred
Acts 20:31 (KJV)
Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears
Interesting this Acts 20:31. Did Paul preach/warn continuously for 1,080 days and nights?