Three Reasons Why I'm Not A Good Calvinist:

[Rippon]

You're right about the Damascus road. I guess I was subconsciously wishing that you would have an Emaus road experience, rip, where, as I spoke to you about Christ, your heart would "burn" within you. :laugh: Fat chance, right?

skypair

Your heart must change Skypair.

 

[Goldie]

Rippon said:

WOW! You single-handedly knocked-out that dreaded Calvinist monster? It didn't make headlines out here in Korea-land.

You crack me up. :tongue3: LOL. I'm signing off now as I'm tired. Will see ya's all
tomorrow sometime.

 

[Lou Martuneac]

1. I really don't agree with John MacArthur's brand of Lordship Salvation.

2. I don't read a lot of dead theologians of the calvinistic bent.

3. I'm not big on the ESV (English Standard Version)

I won't be surprised if they show me the door.

TC

TC:

My understanding from some 5-point Calvinists is that if a man does not accept all 5-points he is not a true Calvinist.


LM

 

[Lou Martuneac]

1. I really don't agree with John MacArthur's brand of Lordship Salvation.TC

TC:

You are one of a growing number of Reformed men who reject Lordship Salvation. In the last year I have spoken to two men who I have known for years and both are Reformed in their theology. Both of these men have earned Ph.D.'s, both are in full time ministries.

They took the time to look more deeply into it, as MacArthur defines it, and they both called and/or wrote to me acknowledging that they had come to conclude that MacArthur’s LS is wrong. They have turned from accepting Lordship Salvation *as defined by John MacArthur.


LM

*Rippon, I made the post consistent. You may be trying to blunt the importance of the fact that some Calvinists understand that LS is wrong. JM is the most widely read LS apologist, he essentially speaks for the position of LS as every man I know interprets LS. I’d like to read from some one who claims to hold to LS and rejects MacArthur’s definition of LS at the same time.

 

[Rippon]

They took the time to look more deeply into it, as MacArthur defines it, and they both called and/or wrote to me acknowledging that they had come to conclude that MacArthur’s LS is wrong. They have turned from accepting Lordship Salvation.


LM

Until TCG elaborates on the subject; he said he doesn't go along with MacArthur's brand of Lordship Salvation. TCG has not said (at this point) that he has rejected Lordship Salvation altogether.

You have to follow some consistent use of expressions Lou.

Those Calvinists who contacted you have not accepted Lordship Salvation as MacArthur has defined it. But that's not the same thing as saying in your very next breath -- "They have turned from accepting Lordship Salvation."

 

[Lou Martuneac]

Answerng Rippon

1. I really don't agree with John MacArthur's brand of Lordship Salvation.TC

TC:

You are one of a growing number of Reformed men who reject Lordship Salvation. In the last year I have spoken to two men who I have known for years and both are Reformed in their theology. Both of these men have earned Ph.D.'s, both are in full time ministries.

They took the time to look more deeply into it, as MacArthur defines it, and they both called and/or wrote to me acknowledging that they had come to conclude that MacArthur’s LS is wrong. They have turned from accepting Lordship Salvation *as defined by John MacArthur.


LM

*Rippon, I made the post consistent. You may be trying to blunt the importance of the fact that some Calvinists understand that LS is wrong. JM is the most widely read LS apologist, he essentially speaks for the position of LS as every man I know interprets LS. I’d like to read from some one who claims to hold to LS and rejects MacArthur’s definition of LS at the same time.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

TC:

You are one of a growing number of Reformed men who reject Lordship Salvation. In the last year I have spoken to two men who I have known for years and both are Reformed in their theology. Both of these men have earned Ph.D.'s, both are in full time ministries.

They took the time to look more deeply into it, as MacArthur defines it, and they both called and/or wrote to me acknowledging that they had come to conclude that MacArthur’s LS is wrong. They have turned from accepting Lordship Salvation *as defined by John MacArthur.


LM

*Rippon, I made the post consistent. You may be trying to blunt the importance of the fact that some Calvinists understand that LS is wrong. JM is the most widely read LS apologist, he essentially speaks for the position of LS as every man I know interprets LS. I’d like to read from some one who claims to hold to LS and rejects MacArthur’s definition of LS at the same time.

Who are the men who are reformed, who called you, and now disagree or make a point of disagreement with MacArhur?

 

[mparkerfd20]

Who are the men who are reformed, who called you, and now disagree or make a point of disagreement with MacArhur?

Larry, Curley, and Mo?

 

[TCGreek]

What is a good Calvinist?

I heard they all are bad. As seen in this BAD video

Yeah, it depends on who you talk to. :laugh:

 

[TCGreek]

1. No one has to agree with men, but with God, unquestioned obedience.

2. What dead theologians do you read? lol

3. What does the ESV have to do with Calvinism?

Who is they and why would "they" be showing you the door?

Calvin, Luther, Hodge (yet I'm not pedobaptist)

I see that the ESV craze hasn't come to your neck of the woods.

 

[TCGreek]

1. So that means you are in the camp,but don't subscribe to all his particular nuances? Do you favor Michael Horton's view as a more accurate summation of the biblical evidence,or the writings of someone else?

Rippon, until I'm convinced by Scripture, for now, I hold to the doctrines of grace.

2. You should. You're missing out.

Most the noteworthies are pedobaptists. :thumbs:

3. Yeah, those ESV-Only Reformed guys are out on a tear,aren't they?

I run into them all the time, and I'm hearing about more and more churches adopting the ESV as their pew Bible.

 

[TCGreek]

I've always sensed that you had too open a mind and not enough of Saul's "firey breath" to be Calvinist, TC. :laugh: Saul was probably a Calvinist before the "road to Emaus."

skypair

Skypair, I'm not a pedobaptist. How's that for a start?

 

[J.D.]

1. I really don't agree with John MacArthur's brand of Lordship Salvation.

2. I don't read a lot of dead theologians of the calvinistic bent.

3. I'm not big on the ESV (English Standard Version)

I won't be surprised if they show me the door.

TC

1. I don't agree with JM's dispensationalism. Does that make me a bad Cavlinist? According to him, it does. And I don't agree with every line of his defense of LS, but I agree in general. In either case, I don't agree with misrepresenting his words like Lou does.

2. I thought all theologians, either dead or living, were Calvinists. (just kidding!)

3. What's an English Standard Version? I guess I'm getting kicked out too.

 

[TCGreek]

TC:

My understanding from some 5-point Calvinists is that if a man does not accept all 5-points he is not a true Calvinist.


LM

Lou,

I've heard of 3 and 4-point calvinist.

I remain a 5-calvinist until Scripture point me in another direction. I'm aware of the weaknesses in the arguments, but they're not enough for me to abandon my brand of calvinism.

I hope that helps.

 

[TCGreek]

1. I don't agree with JM's dispensationalism. Does that make me a bad Cavlinist? According to him, it does. And I don't agree with every line of his defense of LS, but I agree in general. In either case, I don't agree with misrepresenting his words like Lou does.

2. I thought all theologians, either dead or living, were Calvinists. (just kidding!)

3. What's an English Standard Version? I guess I'm getting kicked out too.

J.D.,

I'll put in a word for you. I'm afraid that you're already out. :laugh:

The English Standard Version is a "conservative" revision of the Revised Standard Version.

 

[TCGreek]

TC:

You are one of a growing number of Reformed men who reject Lordship Salvation. In the last year I have spoken to two men who I have known for years and both are Reformed in their theology. Both of these men have earned Ph.D.'s, both are in full time ministries.

Yes, I cannot endorse most of MacArthur's LS arguments.

I'm particularly bent out of shape over his use of James 4.

I consider it the "unforgiveable sin among exegetes."

They took the time to look more deeply into it, as MacArthur defines it, and they both called and/or wrote to me acknowledging that they had come to conclude that MacArthur’s LS is wrong. They have turned from accepting Lordship Salvation *as defined by John MacArthur.

We need to remember that MacArthur is a mere mortal.

 

[J.D.]

Most the noteworthies are pedobaptists

Consider Gill, Boyce, Dagg, Bunyan, Keach, The Carroll brothers, Graves, Philpot, CD Cole, and so on. There's a lot of good stuff out there from credobatists.

 

[TCGreek]

Consider Gill, Boyce, Dagg, Bunyan, Keach, The Carroll brothers, Graves, Philpot, CD Cole, and so on. There's a lot of good stuff out there from credobatists.

Thanks, J.D.

Bunyan was not much of a theologian, if you know what I mean.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Thanks, J.D.

Bunyan was not much of a theologian, if you know what I mean.

And that Spurgeon fellow..he was pretty good i hear...:laugh:

woah..I just saw the Bunyan comment. Say it ain't so !

 

[TCGreek]

And that Spurgeon fellow..he was pretty good i hear...:laugh:

RB, Ol' Spurgeon is the Man!

Both Arminians and Calvinists love him. :thumbs: