Time and the Creation Account

[dad2]

As to the link, by your reply it did not matter.

Unless you could lift out a point from a link of course the spam link does not matter.

As to time and the creation account, I believe in a very old universe and that the creation account is literally true.
I for one, do not understand your views.

You can believe what you like. Defending it is another matter.

Without all the explanations. Referencing Mark 14:12 was a Wednesday the Jewish calendar date 3790 Nisan 14th. Christ was crucified on a Thursday calendar date 3790 Nisan 15th. Resurrected early Sunday morning calendar date 3790 Nisan 18th.

What year was that and do any disagree?

 

[37818]

What year was that and do any disagree?

3790 is 30AD.
Nisan is in April in that year.
Wednesday April 5th. (Julian calendar)
Thursday April 6th.
Sunday April 9th 30AD.
Calendar Converter
On that Sunday, Luke 24:21, ". . . But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. . . ." So the second day since would be Saturday. And the first day since would be Friday.

 

[dad2]

3790 is 30AD.
Nisan is in April in that year.
Wednesday April 5th. (Julian calendar)
Thursday April 6th.
Sunday April 9th 30AD.
Calendar Converter
On that Sunday, Luke 24:21, ". . . But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. . . ." So the second day since would be Saturday. And the first day since would be Friday.

That seems pretty solid.

 

[timtofly]

3790 is 30AD.
Nisan is in April in that year.
Wednesday April 5th. (Julian calendar)
Thursday April 6th.
Sunday April 9th 30AD.
Calendar Converter
On that Sunday, Luke 24:21, ". . . But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. . . ." So the second day since would be Saturday. And the first day since would be Friday.

Pretty sure it was on Wed. 14th Nisan. Jesus was in the tomb for 3, 24 hour periods.

Thursday, evening and morning.
Friday, evening and morning.
Saturday, evening and morning.

Thursday was the high Sabbath, 15th Nisan. Friday the Jews came to Pilate and asked for the tomb to be sealed. The resurrection happened after 6pm Sat., the start of Sunday, and before dawn. The tomb was already empty when the woman arrived.

"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre."

"Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus."

"And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him."

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay."


All 4 accounts show the woman came early Sunday morning before dawn. The Resurrection itself:

"Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."

Early on Sunday would be soon after 6pm in the evening. To be 3 days and 3 nights, or 3 evenings and mornings, the time frame would have been from 6pm T, then F, then over Sat, at 6pm. Yet the stone was not rolled away, until the woman came the next morning while still dark.

I posted the accounts in this order: John, Luke, Mark, and Matthew. Starting out with least detail to the most detail. The woman may or may not have seen the angels roll the stone away, but they did have a conversation with the angels. Jesus had already risen before the angels came and rolled the stone away.

 

[dad2]

Pretty sure it was on Wed. 14th Nisan. Jesus was in the tomb for 3, 24 hour periods.

Thursday, evening and morning.
Friday, evening and morning.
Saturday, evening and morning.

Thursday was the high Sabbath, 15th Nisan. Friday the Jews came to Pilate and asked for the tomb to be sealed. The resurrection happened after 6pm Sat., the start of Sunday, and before dawn. The tomb was already empty when the woman arrived.

"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre."

"Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus."

"And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him."

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay."


All 4 accounts show the woman came early Sunday morning before dawn. The Resurrection itself:

"Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."

Early on Sunday would be soon after 6pm in the evening. To be 3 days and 3 nights, or 3 evenings and mornings, the time frame would have been from 6pm T, then F, then over Sat, at 6pm. Yet the stone was not rolled away, until the woman came the next morning while still dark.

I posted the accounts in this order: John, Luke, Mark, and Matthew. Starting out with least detail to the most detail. The woman may or may not have seen the angels roll the stone away, but they did have a conversation with the angels. Jesus had already risen before the angels came and rolled the stone away.

Once again, there is no clear answer to this question. Many people make a case and it all sort of sounds good. Bottom line, we don't really seem to know.

 

[37818]

. . . we don't really seem to know.

But there is what we think we know. And reasons for it. What we know from God is it has a beginning, Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1-3.

What we see and understand from looking at our sky has give us an understanding for an old universe. The common accepted theory gives an age of the universe of some 13.7 billion years as a beginning.

 

[dad2]

But there is what we think we know. And reasons for it. What we know from God is it has a beginning, Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1-3.

What we see and understand from looking at our sky has give us an understanding for an old universe. The common accepted theory gives an age of the universe of some 13.7 billion years as a beginning.

That does not follow. Of course the beginning had a beginning. That does not justify whatever imagination you foist on the sky! It does not mean time and space are the same in all the visible universe. Yet your distances and times depend on a belief that they are. You assume, for example that light took billions of our years to reach earth based on how we clock it once it gets here!

 

[37818]

That does not follow. Of course the beginning had a beginning. That does not justify whatever imagination you foist on the sky! It does not mean time and space are the same in all the visible universe. Yet your distances and times depend on a belief that they are. You assume, for example that light took billions of our years to reach earth based on how we clock it once it gets here!

What is called Hubble's Law? How and why is it used to determine the age universe? Reference the 13.7 billion years ago.

Andromada Galaxy is measured to be some 2.5 million light years from us.

Do you know better science regarding these matters?

 

[dad2]

What is called Hubble's Law? How and why is it used to determine the age universe? Reference the 13.7 billion years ago.

Andromada Galaxy is measured to be some 2.5 million light years from us.

Do you know better science regarding these matters?

Hubble's law is faith based. You can't show it is not. The measures are total religion and belief based. You have no authority beyond 2 light seconds away! (less than one light day if you want to count the probes and man's interpretation of the data from them)
Period.

 

[37818]

Hubble's law is faith based.

Believing what truth?

 

[dad2]

Believing what truth?

Explain the basis of Hubble's law and we shall see. Or are you just tossing out words for no reason about things you do not comprehend?

 

[Salty]

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[dad2]

So Hubble's 'law' is based on redshift, and interpreting why light shifts in far space based on the reasons we know about here on earth. The distances are all faith based, and assume time is the same in all the universe. What might redshift light out there we do not know. Maybe time and space affect it. In any case, there is no way that distances can be determined by redshift, nor ages. As stated, Hubble's law is wholly faith based.

 

[37818]

So Hubble's 'law' is based on redshift, and interpreting why light shifts in far space based on the reasons we know about here on earth. The distances are all faith based, and assume time is the same in all the universe. What might redshift light out there we do not know. Maybe time and space affect it. In any case, there is no way that distances can be determined by redshift, nor ages. As stated, Hubble's law is wholly faith based.

Anything anyone knows is faith based.

 

[dad2]

Anything anyone knows is faith based.

No. Some things are actually known. The way gravity works on earth for example. You don't get to mask beliefs with pretending everything and all actual knowledge is 'faith based'.

 

[37818]

Some things are actually known.

LOL. Not anything is known without faith.
Gravity. You believe your experience.

 

[dad2]

LOL. Not anything is known without faith.
Gravity. You believe your experience.

When you jump off a skyscraper you no longer believe in gravity. It is not a matter of whether a brick or a man believes anything at all.

 

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