Time Does Not Exist

[Van]

Time is a measure of duration, just like distance is a measure of length. Yes both duration and distance exist without measurement, but measurement helps us deal with reality. Yes measurement is just our assessment of some aspect of reality, a cognitive invention so to speak.

But if my heat-rate drops below 40 bpm or goes above 100 bpm, it is useful to be able to measure it and take needed action.

 

[Ben1445]

It is also noteworthy that our measures of time are derived from God out of the creation of the world.
Time is from God.

 

[searchingtruths]

I want to examine something we often take for granted: the existence of time itself.

My argument begins with a fundamental characteristic of God’s creation: God does not create without purpose. Scripture repeatedly presents His creation as intentional, purposeful, and according to His will.

Isaiah 45:18 tells us that God formed the earth to be inhabited. Colossians 1:16 says that all things were created through Christ and for Him. Revelation 4:11 declares that all things exist because of God’s will.

Consider also Proverbs 16:4:

> “The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.” (KJV)

The consistent biblical picture is that God’s works are not arbitrary or without purpose. He creates with intention. We therefore have reason to examine the purpose of anything we propose that He created.

This brings me to time.

Time serves no purpose that God has not already provided for.

God established the heavenly lights to mark days, years, and seasons (Genesis 1:14). Through these, the duration and cycles of created existence can be measured. We can determine how long something exists, distinguish one event from another, and establish the sequence in which events occur. These functions are already accounted for within creation itself.

An independently existing entity called Time would add nothing to these arrangements. It would not provide another means of measuring duration, establish a sequence that does not already exist, or fulfil a purpose that the created order does not already fulfil. Its supposed existence would therefore serve no additional purpose in creation.

And this is significant because God does not create without purpose. Everything He creates is intentional and serves His will. There is no biblical basis for portraying His creative work as arbitrary or purposeless. Consequently, attributing the creation of an independently existing entity called Time to God introduces something for which no distinct purpose has been established, despite the fact that He already provided everything necessary to measure the duration and cycles of created existence.

There is also a distinction between God’s existence and ours.

Psalm 90:2 declares:

> “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.” (KJV)

God is eternal. His existence does not depend on days, years, seasons, or any measurement of duration.

Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 further illustrate that our measurements of duration cannot simply be applied to God’s eternal existence. A thousand years is described as being like a day to Him, and a day like a thousand years.

Furthermore, 1 Timothy 6:16 describes God as the one who has immortality, while 1 John 5:11–12 explains that eternal life is given to us through His Son. God is the source of life; we receive life from Him.

The distinction is between the measurable duration and sequence of created existence and the idea that Time exists independently as something in its own right. The existence of the former does not establish the existence of the latter.

I have always posted scientific findings of this modern age what time is an illusion.

Is Time Real? Quantum Physics Suggests It May Be an Illusion Time Is an Illusion—Meaning the Past, Present, and Future Exist Simultaneously, Physicist Claims

The illusion of time | Nature https://share.google/J1cdR3K9Vn7CZdL1z

God created time on the 4th day when he set the moon and the sun in place to measure the years, the seasons, the months, etc _ specifically for the earth and the inhabitants thereof. For man and life on Earth time is death. The Bible tells us the end of days is coming and the end of days is the end of time.

What Does the Bible Say About End Of Days? What Does the Bible Say About End Of Days?

The flesh is temporary!

A day to the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day, 2nd Peter 3:8 - and any amount of time one may want to put on that. In agreement - The Eternal God is not / can not be influenced by time in a shape form or fashion.

 

[Van]

It has been suggested that "time" is an illusion. but I disagree. Duration is a reality of our created universe. Things happen in sequence, not all at the same "time." Yes, our perception of time is influenced by our point of view. Science taught me that if I approached the speed of light, the passage of time would slow down from my perspective. This paradox has fueled a great many science fiction stories. (Not to mention the writers beloved warp speed. )

 

[Ben1445]

It is worth noting for scientific purposes that day and night are different on different planets and in space.
But God made people to live on the earth and gave us the sun and moon so we could keep time.

 

[searchingtruths]

It has been suggested that "time" is an illusion. but I disagree. Duration is a reality of our created universe. Things happen in sequence, not all at the same "time." Yes, our perception of time is influenced by our point of view. Science taught me that if I approached the speed of light, the passage of time would slow down from my perspective. This paradox has fueled a great many science fiction stories. (Not to mention the writers beloved warp speed. )

And if man could travel at the speed of light what man considers as time would stop. For me that says time does not exist - that it is a calculation of man given by God on the 4th day of his works and as written in 2nd Peter 3:8 a day to the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day and you can apply that to a million a trillion quadruple zillion and so forth.

 

[Ben1445]

And if man could travel at the speed of light what man considers as time would stop.

In saying time stops, you acknowledge the existence of it. If it didn’t exist, it wouldn’t be possible to stop it.

For me that says time does not exist - that it is a calculation of man given by God on the 4th day of his works and as written in 2nd Peter 3:8 a day to the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day and you can apply that to a million a trillion quadruple zillion and so forth.

That makes time relative. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
God said the evening and the morning were the first day. That was before the sun and moon were given for our reference point of time.
God was using time before He made the sun. The sun and moon were made for time. They don’t make time.
The heavenly bodies are for days and for years.

When were you born? You know because of time.
How old are you? You know because of time.

Joseph told Pharaoh that the dream from God was showing him that the famine would last seven years. God said it would last seven years.
Do you actually think God is using something that doesn’t exist? God has been fooled by the false construct of time??

Is the earth flat too?

 

[searchingtruths]

In saying time stops, you acknowledge the existence of it. If it didn’t exist, it wouldn’t be possible to stop it.

No I am not acknowledging the existence of time from your point of view ...... According to man time stops - if time actually existed, why would it stop? Or even change (the faster ones travels the slower it becomes) science calls it time dilation ....... I do acknowledge time from God's point of view: He put time into motion for the existence of man - time equals death for man..... And there will be a point where time is no longer a requirement.

That makes time relative. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

God said the evening and the morning were the first day.

You're understanding that from man's point of view...... The Hebrew word y o m can be used in various ways and the translators decided to use it as a literal 24-hour day and there are given reasons why they did so.

godrules.net/library/strongs2a/heb3117.htm https://share.google/NUKxeUEio7nhv95IL

That was before the sun and moon were given for our reference point of time.
God was using time before He made the sun. The sun and moon were made for time. They don’t make time.
The heavenly bodies are for days and for years.

What is was is referred to as time to do but to ***measure** the days and the years and seasons it was created on the fourth day ( God's day) not man's. God put what we call time in motion. I don't think I said the Sun and the Moon make time, but if you interpreted my words as so that is your right.

When were you born? You know because of time.
How old are you? You know because of time.

I calculate my age as man do because that's the way God set it up for man to calculate using what we call time.... And we measure time by the sun
Infographic: Meteorological and astronomical seasons | National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration https://share.google/eRiX8s0BzE4JEI54m

Measuring time by the moon
NASA to Develop Lunar Time Standard for Exploration Initiatives - NASA NASA to Develop Lunar Time Standard for Exploration Initiatives - NASA

Joseph told Pharaoh that the dream from God was showing him that the famine would last seven years. God said it would last seven years.
Do you actually think God is using something that doesn’t exist? God has been fooled by the false construct of time??

Maybe you don't understand what it is meant when it is said time is an illusion time does not exist.


. The Human/Psychological View

• A Mental Tool: On a human level, our brains invent or rely on time to organize memory, sequence events, and plan for tomorrow. Without a linear sequence, human memory and narrative wouldn't make sense, even if the universe itself doesn't experience "minutes" or "hours.
In Quantum Gravity, Time is "Emergent" (Not Fundamental)
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. We Don’t Measure "Time"—We Measure Change

• Clocks Measure Action: Physicists point out that we never actually measure "time" directly. We look at a physical object that moves, swings, or ticks (like a pendulum, a quartz crystal, or the rotation of Earth) and call the count of those changes "time".
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• The Physics: Deep equations in theoretical physics, such as the Wheeler-DeWitt equation used in quantum gravity, completely leave out time as a variable.
• What it means: Instead of a master clock ticking the universe forward, the universe is just a web of raw events and physical interactions. What we experience as time may emerge from something deeper—like quantum entanglement (such as the Page-Wootters mechanism, where particles acting as "clocks" become entangled with their surroundings). Time is like temperature: an individual atom doesn't "have" temperature, temperature only emerges when you get billions of atoms together.

Is the earth flat too?

Very Funny!!!!

I believe the Earth is shaped like a ball - a sphere - a circle which the Bible also indicates long before the science of man who is able to photograph it - science would have no reason to lie about circle of the Earth.

 

[Ben1445]

God put what we call time in motion.

Another acknowledgment of the existence of time.

 

[Ben1445]

I calculate my age as man do because that's the way God set it up for man to calculate using what we call time.... And we measure time by the sun

Another acknowledgment of the existence of time.

 

[Ben1445]

Maybe you don't understand what it is meant when it is said time is an illusion time does not exist.

I don’t get into what ends up being like transcendentalism. I don’t deny the existence of what is real, especially when God created it, as you have already pointed out.

 

[Ben1445]

A Mental Tool: On a human level, our brains invent or rely on time to organize memory, sequence events, and plan for tomorrow. Without a linear sequence, human memory and narrative wouldn't make sense, even if the universe itself doesn't experience "minutes" or "hours.
In Quantum Gravity, Time is "Emergent" (Not Fundamental)

So you experience time but matter doesn’t??

So my house is ageless and if I don’t notice it aging, it could actually be getting newer because it doesn’t experience a sequence of events measured by time??

When Scripture says a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day, it indicates that God recognizes that the time that we reference is a real thing.

You wouldn’t say an inch is not real because a meter exists.
So if time doesn’t exist, neither does anything else intangible- an inch, love, your thoughts and mine, faith, etc.