Tithe - Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me... of Jesus' Righteousness...

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Will God rob a man?!

 

[One Baptism]

Will God rob a man?!

Brother, I pray that the exclamated question is truly rhetorical, for God both spoke and wrote by His own finger a transcript of His very Character, in His Law, the Ten Commandments:

Thou shalt not steal. - Exodus 20:15

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's. - Exodus 20:17​

Why does God say these things? It is because He Himself is no thief, nor covetous after the wicked manner. Rather, what we see instead, is the eternal beauty and awesome magnificence of God's Eternal Unchanging Character, in the self-less sacrifice and giving unto us forever, of His own Son, Jesus Christ.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16​

As it is written:

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. - James 1:17

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven. - John 3:13​

Further, God is Love:

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. - 1 John 4:8

And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. - 1 John 4:16​

Charity, envieth not:

Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, - 1 Corinthians 13:4​

Since this is so:

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. - Romans 13:9

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law. - Romans 13:10

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. - Galatians 5:14

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: - James 2:8​

Of God it is said:

For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them. - Isaiah 61:8​

Therefore, those who rob God of righteousness [right-doing], shall not escape:

The robbery of the wicked shall destroy them; because they refuse to do judgment. - Proverbs 21:7​

Those which claim to honour God, and claim to worship Him, and knowingly [light] and willingly refuse Him that which is His own, are a "den of thieves", no matter what else they claim to 'sacrifice' unto Him [for disobedience is sin], and their prayer an "abomination":

And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. - Matthew 21:13

Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves. - Luke 19:46

The sacrifice of the wicked [is] an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright [is] his delight. - Proverbs 15:8

He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination. - Proverbs 28:9​

 

[BrotherJoseph]

Yes, I do understand that you "can't see nothing nowhere", brother vooks, in all that was given, for blindness is rampant these days, and gross darkness covers the people, and many grope in the darkness of their hearts, having turned away from the light, but it is not for the lack of the love and grace of God in giving light, sight, and desiring to heal their blindness, but a lack of faith, trust and willingness in receiving it, for God having shed light upon them, they turn from it, not willing that they should see. It is written,

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. - Matthew 13:15

For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. - Acts 28:27

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great [is] that darkness! - Matthew 6:23

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. - John 3:19

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. - Hosea 4:6

The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: - Deuteronomy 28:28

And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha. - 2 Kings 6:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: - Ephesians 4:18

And [some] of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? - John 9:40​

Thank you for saying that I would "deal wisely in answering this question", for I having done so before the question was asked in the provided material already presented, as I have stated unto you brother vooks. Instead of repeating that material, I will refer you back to reading that which has been given. If you cannot find it brother vooks, please ask God, in humility, to give you a willing heart, sight and understanding, and you shall see it very clearly.

"... wisdom is justified of all her children." - Luke 7:35​

Thank you for participating in this thread, and for keeping it current, for many need to see and hear the things which are written therein.

Brother, I tell you the Truth [and so all], if you do not Tithe after the manner of God's instruction, after knowing what is plainly given there in His word, you [nor any] cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 6:10​

Brother, do not allow yourself to be a thief, robbing God, and unlawfully take that which rightly belongs unto God, in His service, and use it for your own pleasure and rioting, and do not be covetous with that which is God's, hoarding to thyself, for it will be a witness against thee, and cling to your garments, as murderous blood, and it will become a burning unto you, and a misery, and it will eat your flesh as fire, and do not extort from Him, who gave you [and us all] everything in the gift, who is, Christ Jesus. And so having been given all Heaven in Christ Jesus, what is it to return unto God that which He asks as our Father?

I have told you the Truth brother, as it is in Christ Jesus. If you do not return the Holy Tithe unto God, brother, please - repent. For if not, it shall not go well with you and your house, for I speak from the perspective of the examples given in Scripture, and so I say unto you in the charity/love born from God, repent, there is still time, but not much. Redeem the time brother, lest the light completely leave you in darkness and blindness,

Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. - Ephesians 5:16​

Those listening, and reading if they be of Christ Jesus, will know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself, for the Holy Spirit is not slack in reproving, in love, the whole world, of sin, righteousness and judgment.

Brother One Baptism,

Did tithing become part of the new covenant? If so God decided to hide it from Paul and the other New Testament epsitle writer's. No matter how hard you try, you have to use Old Testament covenant to teach it. Some say tithing was before the law, part of the law and in force now also. Where is the New Testament epistles of Paul, Peter, John, Jude, James are the Scripture for this? Circumcision was before the law (Genesis 17:24), part of the law, but is it in effect now? Some of the New Testament apostles tried to maintain it (Acts 15:5-11; Galatians 2:11) but Paul would have none of it. Hebrews talks about Abraham giving a tithe to Melchizedek but the same passage says there was a change in the law Hebrews 7:12. Hebrews 8:13 and 9:1 talks about the "first covenant with regulations (tithing is a regulation of the law) made obsolete (tithing was made obsolete)." Hebrews 10:9 "takes away first (tithing was part of the first) to establish second (tithing is not part of the second)" Hebrews 10:16 "writes law on heart and mind (God never wrote tithing on my heart or mind)"

The principle (law) of giving in the New Testament comes from the heart not from the dictates of the law, 2 Corinthians 8:10 "giving comes by desire", 2 Corinthians 9:7 "purposed in his heart"-"not grudgingly"-"not under compulsion" The church leaders must trust in the people hearing from God themselves 2 Corinthians 8:16 "God puts it in the heart ". Man's way has always been not to trust the people but to lay down the Law. Some can't join a local church without promising to follow the external dictates of the Old Testament law instead of following after the law written in their hearts. This is very close to charging for the word, 2 Corinthians 11:7 "preach without charge".

If I pay my 10 % I have something to boast about, yet in the body of Christ it is "by Grace and faith not by works of the law" "Not of works, lest any man should boast" Ephesians 2:8-9.

God bless,

Brother Joe

 

[One Baptism]

I work to make a living. God didn't help me earn a nickel, nor does he need a nickel from me. Greedy ministers and churches can continue their cafeteria scriptures and brainwashing, but it will have no effect on me.

Brother Alcott,

You may only work, because it is God which gives you strength and commandment to do so:

And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. - Genesis 2:15

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life; - Genesis 3:17

Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; - Genesis 3:18

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return. - Genesis 3:19

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. - Exodus 20:8

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: - Exodus 20:9

But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: - Exodus 20:10

For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11

Wealth [gotten] by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathereth by labour shall increase. - Proverbs 13:11​

For if God did not so give you strength, and is not in the work, you could do nothing, and you could truly accomplish nothing, and all that you thought to have done without Him, will always be nothing, and can only come to nothing, for if it is not built with/by Him, it shall be burned, and vanish away:

I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. - John 15:5

I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all [is] vanity and vexation of spirit. - Ecclesiastes 1:14

Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all [was] vanity and vexation of spirit, and [there was] no profit under the sun. - Ecclesiastes 2:11

For he cometh in with vanity, and departeth in darkness, and his name shall be covered with darkness. - Ecclesiastes 6:4

Behold, they [are] all vanity; their works [are] nothing: their molten images [are] wind and confusion. - Isaiah 41:29

They [are] vanity, [and] the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. - Jeremiah 10:15 [& Jeremiah 51:18]

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10​

It is God which giveth you all good things, life and breath, wisdom, etc:

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; - Acts 17:25

For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth [cometh] knowledge and understanding. - Proverbs 2:6

And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: - Daniel 2:21​

Therefore, seeing it is so:

Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise [man] glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty [man] glory in his might, let not the rich [man] glory in his riches: - Jeremiah 9:23

But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I [am] the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these [things] I delight, saith the LORD. - Jeremiah 9:24​

God requires, you [and all] to be faithful in the stewardship of all that He has given you, not merely because He created you, but paid such a price to redeem you, and therefore, ye [in all things] are not your own and you have been purchased at the infinite cost of the blood of the Son of God:

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - 1 Corinthians 6:19

For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. - 1 Corinthians 6:20​

You, Alcott, were loved so much by God, your Heavenly Father, that He could not in His incalculable love, give you up to die, without attempting to deliver you from so great a death, by such a sacrifice, that all the time in eternity will not be able to explain it:

Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver [us]; - 2 Corinthians 1:10​

You, Alcott, are of infinite value to Him:

Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. - Matthew 13:46​

Tithe, is not merely 'nickel', but it is love, born of God in the heart, that is in the returning to Him. It is the outward fruit and demonstration of the faith and love which is created anew internal. Even as God demonstrated love at Calvary, so too, He has given us a way to express love and faithfulness to Him, and one [not the only] of those ways is in the Tithe. It is not that God "needs", but that He wants/desires your own free will love in return:

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; - Acts 17:25​

It is that God desires you to understand His love for you!

We love him, because he first loved us. - 1 John 4:19​

The Pastors of the Seventh-day Adventist movement do not receive the Tithe directly, but it is all passed from the body of Christ, to the storehouse where there, God, divides it among all those whom He has called to serve in His service. It is for the work of His Kingdom, that it may go forward conquering and to conquer, and for the bringing out of great darkness and slavery of sin, those bound by the devil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYPWwRzDZfo&list=PL4PwK7QaFAuheR1AskFVgpsu1rl6XH8AA&index=2

That which does not return love, will die. Look to the things of nature to teach you, for that which hoardes to itself like the deadsea, and gives nothing in return, letting no water of life flow, dies, but yet the sea of Galilee, takes/receives to give, and so is filled with life abundantly.

Scripture is not brainwashing, it is the the very word of God, in almighty power, the same which created the heaven and the earth, and is the same which if you but only listen and believe, can create in you a new heart and mind that is free.

So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:17

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. - Psalm 33:6​

That same power, that upholds all things:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. - Colossians 1:17​

... can indeed, also save you from all your pain, suffering, sorrows, satan, sin and selfishness, it has so done, and continues to do, for all who believe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LETvVezBXio

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me. - John 12:32

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else. - Isaiah 45:22​

Those who look, cannot but help see and know, that God is eternal love. He made you, that you may know that love, freely, forever and always.

Will you accept His so great sacrifice for you? Why wait? Who would turn away from such an offer as love?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeFXEIwT7-g

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The biggest dens of thieves are the 'churches' --- 'Christian churches' and their 'leaders'.

 

[One Baptism]

Brother One Baptism,

Did tithing become part of the new covenant?

Hi brother Joseph, not desiring to repeat whole portions which have already been given, please allow me to shortly say in brief summary, that the Tithe is from the beginning [even before the Flood itself in the days of Noah], as seen here - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2221331&postcount=3 , even very long before there was an 'old covenant' [Exodus 19:3-9] to speak of. It was also shown, Scripturally, that the Tithe continues from that beginning all the way down through history, unto today, being for the Christian [a child/seed of Abraham, who would do the works of Abraham in faith], as seen, not only in the previous post, but also here, in these [especially see Malachi; Hebrews 7 and 1 Corinthians 9]:

[1] - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2221345&postcount=8
[2] - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2221349&postcount=9
[3] - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2221351&postcount=10
[4] - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2221354&postcount=11​

In further speaking of the New Covenant, and that which is in it, we see, God hath said in Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Daniel 9; Hebrews 8:8-13, 10:16-17, etc, that He would write His ["My"] Law upon the heart of man. Not only does Jeremiah define that ["My"] Law within his own book, but it is also so seen in many others.

... If so God decided to hide it from Paul and the other New Testament epsitle writer's. ...

Nothing was hidden brother, as Paul clearly spoke it on several occasions as noted above.

... No matter how hard you try, you have to use Old Testament covenant to teach it. ...

No, brother, for I do not use the 'old covenant' [Exodus 19:3-9] in the least to explain anything. However, Paul, under guidance of the Holy Spirit, spake of its continuance, purpose and function on those several occasions already noted previously. Merely citing, a prophet, like Malachi, etc is not citing the 'old covenant' [Exodus 19:3-9], it is instead citing from the Law an the Prophets, as Isaiah 8:20 says.:

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them. - Isaiah 8:20​

In fact, brother, not you, nor anyone, could cite a single doctrine, not cited from those same sources, ie the Law and the Prophets [so also the Psalms; ie Genesis to Malachi], as they are found in the books from Matthew to Revelation. Even the "offering" brother, is as old as 'tithe', from the beginning.

... Some say tithing was before the law, part of the law and in force now also. ...

The Holy Spirit through Paul so says, as cited, therefore, please consider most carefully that, for to turn from the instruction of the Holy Spirit therein, is not wise and it is unsafe, though God is patient, longsuffering, merciful and loving, He is also Just, Almighty Majesty, Judge of all and will not wait forever.

... Where is the New Testament epistles of Paul, Peter, John, Jude, James are the Scripture for this? ...

I do pray that you may read [again] through the posts given from the beginning and carefully examine that which is therein. Please, as your brother, I do ask in charity.

... Circumcision was before the law (Genesis 17:24), part of the law, but is it in effect now? ...

Brother, the argument is non-sequitur. However, 'circumcision' may be seen, then and now:

To Abraham, a mere outward sign, of the inward faith and obedience:

And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. - Genesis 17:11

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. - John 7:22

And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so [Abraham] begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac [begat] Jacob; and Jacob [begat] the twelve patriarchs. - Acts 7:8

And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: - Romans 4:11

And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which [he had] being [yet] uncircumcised. - Romans 4:12​

Spiritual circumcision was always required:

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. - Deuteronomy 10:16

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. - Deuteronomy 30:6

Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench [it], because of the evil of your doings. - Jeremiah 4:4​

As now, and thus also "much more that which remaineth is glorious" [for both Jews and Greeks/Gentiles [1 Corinthians 7:18], that still exist outside of Christ may come to Christ in their condition]:

For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. - Romans 2:25

Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? - Romans 2:26

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: - Romans 2:28

But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God. - Romans 2:29

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision? - Romans 3:1

Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. - Romans 3:2

Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. - Romans 3:30

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers: - Romans 15:8

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. - 1 Corinthians 7:19

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. - Philippians 3:3

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: - Colossians 2:11​

... Some of the New Testament apostles tried to maintain it (Acts 15:5-11; Galatians 2:11) but Paul would have none of it. ...

Please read those passages a little more closely, and notice the word "compelled" in Galatians 2:3, for there is a specific reason Paul said those things, and Paul in another and "constrain" Galatians 6:12 instance, to not bring offense, but to have free reign of the Gospel, had Timotheus circumcised, who freely agreed to do, not by compulsion, nor constraint of force; except it be the force of love to not hinder others:

Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek. - Acts 16:3​

Even so, Paul is utilizing the 'OT' [Genesis to Malachi; Law and the Prophets] texts to cite support/commandment for the circumcision of the heart, in the 'NT' [Matthew to Revelation] texts, as noted. Will you use the same argument here as you have for the "tithe"?

 

[One Baptism]

Brother One Baptism,...

...Hebrews talks about Abraham giving a tithe to Melchizedek ...

Yes, as noted, in the previous posts, linked to above.

And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. - Galatians 3:29

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. - John 8:39

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? - James 2:20

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? - James 2:21

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? - James 2:22

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. - James 2:23

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. - James 2:24​

Why then, will not you as Abraham return tithe unto your Melchizedek, which is Christ Jesus, which hath so delivered you, as Abraham had done for Lot who had been taken captive by the enemy?

... but the same passage says there was a change in the law Hebrews 7:12. ...

Please notice what it specifically says brother, in its context:

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? - Hebrews 7:11

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. - Hebrews 7:12​

"[Th]e law" spoken of here is the law regarding the "Levitical priesthood", from the Levite Priests to Christ Jesus the Priest after the order of Melchizedek [Melchisedec]. Thus, we, as Christians, kings and priests [1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 1:6, 5:10, etc] under Christ's Priesthood, we return not tithe to Levitical persons or to an Levitical High-Priest, but to Christ Jesus, by means of those whom He has now chosen for that service, to bring to the storehouse, for the spread of His Everlasting Gospel, etc.

The change went from one priesthood to another, Tithe remaining, now re-directed, not to Levitical [Aaronic] persons, but to Christ Jesus, in the Melchizedical.

Additionally, and as a sort of P.S., for those which advocate, also here, in this Hebrew text an abolishment of the Ten Commandments, should know that the Ten Commandments, being of Heavenly origin, existed before there ever was a Levitical priesthood. Aaron was not made High-priest until after the Ten Commandments were spoken and written by God, and thus not "under" the Levitical Priesthood, but far above it, from the Throne of Heaven itself.

...Hebrews 8:13 and 9:1 talks about the "first covenant with regulations (tithing is a regulation of the law) made obsolete (tithing was made obsolete)." ...

While, definitely a singular try, but one must notice brother, that you had to add an apriori to the text itself, which does not say what you have desired it to say. It must be known brother, to merely say so, is not to prove so, from Scripture.

In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away. - Hebrews 8:13

Then verily the first [covenant] had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. - Hebrews 9:1​

Please notice their respective contexts, none of which ever designate/name/identify the "tithe" therein, that already having been permanently revealed to continue in Hebrews 7, and elsewhere, 1 Corinthians 9, etc.

Hebrews 8:13, is in the context of the 'old covenant' [Exodus 19:3-9], which was made 3 days [Exodus 19:15] based upon their [the peoples 'Israel'] promises ["all that the LORD hath said, we will do" [vs 8, see also Exodus 24:3]] before God spoke in awesome majesty before all:

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. - Hebrews 8:6

For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. - Hebrews 8:7

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: - Hebrews 8:8​

Hebrews 9:1, in the context of "gifts" [offerings] & "sacrifices":

Which [was] a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; - Hebrews 9:9

[Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation. - Hebrews 9:10​

Yet, neither, you nor I, would ever use those texts to remove "offerings" [Luke 21:4, same word], the "gifts".

... Hebrews 10:9 "takes away first (tithing was part of the first) to establish second (tithing is not part of the second)" ...

Again, brother, the incorrect apriori, is seen here to be purposefully added to the text, which is an unwise thing to do. Hebrew 10:9 in context, reveals it says nothing about "tithe" being removed, for it clearly deals with the "offering" and "sacrifices" of the "bulls" and "goats", etc, and please also notice what "law" it is specifically addressing, the "law" of the shadow sacrifices:

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. - Hebrews 10:1

For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. - Hebrews 10:2

But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year. - Hebrews 10:3

For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. - Hebrews 10:4

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: - Hebrews 10:5

In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure. - Hebrews 10:6

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. - Hebrews 10:7

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law; - Hebrews 10:8

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. - Hebrews 10:9

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. - Hebrews 10:10​

 

[One Baptism]

Brother One Baptism,...

... Hebrews 10:16 "writes law on heart and mind (God never wrote tithing on my heart or mind)" ...

Brother, God writes the Law of Liberty [which is the law of the Spirit in freedom from sin. 1 John 3:4], known also as the Law of Love [Deuteronomy 6:5 [context]; and Leviticus 19:17-18], which encapsulates all of the Ten Commandments, and all that they themselves encapsulate [Psalms 119:96].

He has so written love upon my heart, and so, obedience to His requirements, and freedom to return to Him that which is His. Tithe is a matter of love and faith.

...The principle (law) of giving in the New Testament comes from the heart not from the dictates of the law, 2 Corinthians 8:10 "giving comes by desire", 2 Corinthians 9:7 "purposed in his heart"-"not grudgingly"-"not under compulsion" The church leaders must trust in the people hearing from God themselves 2 Corinthians 8:16 "God puts it in the heart ". ...

As it had in the past, also, but please notice, that those texts deal with "offering", not "tithe", for there are two things, not merely the one. It is "tithe" and "offering", not one or the other, but both.

Also, 2 Corinthians 8, contextually, speaks to the specific matters of helping [by "liberality"] the other churches who were in deep "poverty", through an additional offering - https://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Co&c=8&t=KJV#s=1086010

PS, my KJB reads in 2 Corinthians 8:10, as "And herein I give [my] advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago." - 2 Corinthians 8:10

The same non-compulsion, in "offering", is seen in the 'OT' [Genesis to Malachi] texts:

Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering. - Exodus 25:2

etc.​

One does not negate the duty/love of the other.

... Man's way has always been not to trust the people but to lay down the Law. ...

I, as Seventh-day Adventist, follow God's laws of love [indeed written upon the fleshy tables of the heart], not men's, as laid out in His [God's] word.

Those which refuse God's directions, are themselves the greedy ones, refusing Him that which is rightfully His, and truly not understanding what the Holy Tithe and offering really are. It deals with love, understanding of what Christ Jesus, and yea also the Father, has done and is doing yet for us, and also a matter of stewardship of us, His sons who serve, who must give account [Luke 16:2; Matthew 12:36; Romans 14:12; Hebrews 13:17; 1 Peter 4:5, etc] for all the "talents" bestowed.

...Some can't join a local church without promising to follow the external dictates of the Old Testament law instead of following after the law written in their hearts. ...

That which is to be written upon the heart by the Holy Spirit, will never contradict the Law and the Prophets, Isaiah 8:20 [John 16:13], and what some people imagine, is that they think they are being led of the "spirit", but it is all a delusion, and a snare of satan, and only a cloak for sin, rebellion, and refusal to obey God. In actuality, it is not love, but a mere sick sentimentalism leading unto perdition, masquerading as love. Very dangerous.

God's church has order, that He himself established, and gave instruction, as so already seen in the previous posted [see links above], for the maintenance, service and spread of His kingdom.

...This is very close to charging for the word, 2 Corinthians 11:7 "preach without charge". ...

Context brother, context [and I like the KJB far better in its translation], for Paul was turning away from that which was his by rights, as a worker in God's field, so as not to cause offense or to be burdensome to the poorer churches:

Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely? - 2 Corinthians 11:7

I robbed other churches, taking wages [of them], to do you service. - 2 Corinthians 11:8

And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all [things] I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and [so] will I keep [myself]. - 2 Corinthians 11:9​

...If I pay my 10 % ...

You, presently, have a great misunderstanding brother. It is not your "10%", and more especially, nothing is yours, per se. It is the LORD's, and it is Holy, and belongs unto Him. Please do not "rob" God, brother, for in so doing, you do break all the commandments, even the ones you think you ought to be keeping.

...I have something to boast about, yet in the body of Christ it is "by Grace and faith not by works of the law" "Not of works, lest any man should boast" Ephesians 2:8-9. ...

Please, always remember to quote vs 10 when quoting Ephesians 2:8-9, for those which stop there, are not quoting all that which is necessary:

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2:10​

Please notice the context of the "covenant" here:

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. - Malachi 3:1

Now, if you would please, read the rest of the Chapter, etc.​

If you would also please re-read my statements here:

Q. Do any think that by returning Tithe to God that they offer their own righteousness?

God forbid, and be ever so far from the thought! If it is so, repent! If it does not come in the sweet smelling savour of Christ Jesus and His Righteousness, in what He the Saviour has done, it is a stink in nose of God, a burning in His eyes and a broken sound in His ears, an abomination, a turning away from what God Himself provided in His sacrifice, in His forgiveness and cleansing, in His Son and gift of the person of the Holy Spirit!

Those which knowingly refuse to return the Holy Tithe unto God from the Heart born of God, and place anything else there in its stead, even if they seem to offer all they had, are verily removing Christ Jesus and His righteousness in offering to God, and substituting something else, an 'anti-Christ', an 'in the place of Christ', which is opposed to Christ Jesus! Can God accept it? He cannot.

The Tithe is to be returned unto God, because it is already His, and we cannot pay out of something which is not our own, but only return that which is given, but if we continue to keep that which is not our own, it is more than theft, for we do it in the very presence of God, it is then Robbery.

....

When we return the Holy Tithe, the Firstfruits of all the Increase, we must do so from the Heart born of God, in full recognition of that which we are actually returning to God, in that it is nothing of ourselves, nothing of which we have earned, nothing of which we can claim as our righteousness, but must understand whose Righteousness it is, and whom the Tithe represents – Christ Jesus, the Gift of God's Love freely given unto us, and shall we not return that love freely unto Him, who first loved us?

...God bless,

Brother Joe

He indeed has brother, as it is written:

And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. - Acts 5:32

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; - Hebrews 5:9

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [there shall] not [be room] enough [to receive it]. - Malachi 3:10​

Yet, those who rob God, in that "covenant" [Malachi 3:1] of "tithe" and/or "offering", they are under a terrible "curse":

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. - Malachi 3:8

Ye [are] cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, [even] this whole nation. - Malachi 3:9​

Therefore, may God bless you when you repent, and may He grant you that also.